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Tuesday, September 10, 2013

Section 16, Group 2

Sorry for the late post guys!
Anyway, our group talked a good bit about what we thought happiness was and whether we agreed with Aristotle or not. Another topic we discussed was how unphilosophical many people are, and that we should always find time to philosophize, even if we do it in our head. Don't get so wrapped up in school or work that you for get to question anything. Ben (one of the floaters) mentioned how statistics create the illusion of luck. Then we discussed how we think luck affects us or if it exists. I don't think many people truly believe in luck, but it is nice to think that something good will come your way eventually, right?
That's about it.


  1. Jonathan Bogasky2:34 PM CDT

    I tend to agree with Ben's way of statistical thinking. There's a reason everything happens the way it does and I mean that in the most physical sense.

  2. Anonymous3:27 PM CDT

    Anthony Helton 16-3
    Personally, I believe in luck because I feel like it gives us something to believe in when things go right. Everybody says good luck and I know it is more of a social thing but, I feel like luck is a thing you can believe in.

  3. (16,1)
    I personally do not really believe in luck, however I could see some truth behind Aristotle's theory. Only as far as sometimes good things just happen to people, and this could create a sense of happiness. For example winning the lottery could definitely be seen as "good luck."

  4. (16-2)
    Luck is a nice concept that ties in well with karma. Personally I cannot rationalize its existence outside of a it being socially tied to how you may view a situation. To me it's all math and variance in numbers.

  5. (16-2) I agree that most things can be explained with mathematics. However, karma seems to be more of an idea I could believe in. Even mathematics supports the idea that things happen for a reason.

    FQ: Where was Epicurus born? (Samos, an island in the Aegean Sea)

    DQ: Do you think Pyrrho's philosophy of carelessness would grant you happiness? (I have a hard time believing I would be content trying to follow this philosophy.)

  6. Link, philosophy and death

  7. Shelby 16-37:37 PM CDT

    I'm a believer in luck. Being from a sports background, i believe that luck can play a part in many of things that are unexplainable in sports and life. And yes it is always great to kind of rely on having good luck or bad luck go your way

  8. Austin Duke7:49 PM CDT

    (16-1) I agree that things happen on a statistical basis. Like the statistic that one in so many people will get cancer. But couldn't it be considered bad luck to be that one? Like playing a roulette wheel. The ball is going to land on one number, you just hope to be lucky enough that the ball lands on your number.

  9. Courtney 16-39:01 PM CDT

    This group seems to have very interesting topics. I would love to hear your thoughts about people being philosophical. I know I want people to be more philosophical throughout the day. With that being said, I also know I need to work on it myself. Society as a whole would benefit from it.

  10. Taylore (16-2)11:16 PM CDT

    Personally I do not believe in luck, because if I did I would say,I am one of the most unlucky individuals alive. However, I do believe in chance or probability as one would call it. Destiny is what I lean towards, I think more on the line of " If it is meant to be, it will be." No matter how much luck you wish a person, if its not meant to happen it wont happen.

    FQ: Who was the first African American philosopher to hold a regular job in the Ivy League?
    [ William Fontaine]
    DQ: When a career path, which is more important financial stability or personal fulfillment/enjoyment?

    America the Philosophical over touch briefly on who William Fontaine, here is a biography of his life http://www.archives.upenn.edu/people/1900s/fontaine_wm_t_v.html

  11. 16-2
    Part of me says that luck exists and another argues against it. Luck is a success or failure brought by chance rather than then one's actions. However, all of the success or failure is the outcome of our actions. In class I have talked about how doing something twice under the same exact conditions(100%-which is impossible) would result in the same exact outcome, which means that there is no chance about that at all. Since no experiment can be redone with 100% accurate it is impossible to prove this point of view.

    FQ: What group of students did Epicurus' The Garden school was made up of? (Women and slaves)

    DQ: In your opinion, is death and afterlife something to be scared of?

    For the who haven't read Little History. Here is a link to an informative,animated video on Epicurus.

  12. 16-2
    I can't say that I believe in luck because with luck brings superstitious rituals in to play. For example, in high school I marched in a nationally ranked marching band and even with the countless hours of preparation, yelling and repetition. If someone were to speak of us continuing our state championship streak before it happened, people would freak out and immediately tell the person to "knock on wood." Which I always found to be senseless because I always kept in mind the twelve-hour camps that prepared us for six minutes on the field and the faith I had in my section and my self that we would be more than fine.

    FQ:Who did Pyrrho accompany on their expedition to India (Alexander the Great)

    DQ:As kids we are vibrant thinkers to the new world we're now apart of, but of course as we get older we stop questioning things as we once did. Is it because we fear questions that can't be answered or feed into the idea that we were just curious kids and the questions we had about everyday life had no significance?

    Pyrrho - from Plato's Podcasts, by Mark Vernon

  13. Damon McCook 16-1

    What is luck? what might be lucky for one person may seem unlucky for another. Most people think that someone who won the lottery would be "lucky". But statistics show that the majority of people who win the lottery end up more broke or more in debt than before this "lucky" incident. So i think luck is a mindset. Luck is all about perception. I brought up in our discussion that some of the poorest countries in the world are the happiest. i would think it would be unlucky to be born in Ethiopia, but ask a poor farmer living in a hut and he is as happy as anyone. If that same farmer and i worked side by side in the blistering Ethiopian heat and got paid $20 for our days work, im sure i wouldnt feel too lucky, he would probably feel luck was on his side. So can i create luck? Can i look at everything as a blessing and feel lucky that i have a bed to sleep in? For me, luck has nothing to do with the outside world. Luck is all about perception.

  14. Anonymous12:05 PM CDT

    I replied to this comment earlier but it never showed up on her ;/. Damon I like what you have to say abouy luck. Perception is a big part of luck. Some people consider themselves lucky for being here now. Somne people look for luck in the future.

  15. Anonymous12:16 PM CDT

    Jeffrey 16
    Whatever luck is they got it

  16. Chelsea 16-112:25 PM CDT

    I think that yes, things are bound to happen and follow statistics, but I think luck still exists in the sense of which person gets the fortune/misfortune of the event happening to them.

  17. I think its interesting the way people use "luck"
    It always seems to me that people who are searching for luck are also the people who are still searching for a faith in something or someone....

  18. (16-2) Sometimes I want to believe in luck, but most of the time I dismiss it and chalk it up to math.
    FQ: What is a Stoa? (a painted porch in Athens where philosophers used to meet)
    DQ: Being a stoic, Epictetus preached that you can think what you choose to think. Do you think that not caring would turn us into cold, heartless people?
    Link: http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/56199/homepage/name/890571?type=sn