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Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Nameless 8, Phil 17, Group 1

this is Kathryn posting here for the group. Today was interesting, as far as Augustine's views on heaven and hell versus Boethius's thoughts on the "perfection of God," or at least I thought. In group, we discussed frustration over the "ever-loving" scorecard (using my sarcastic voice lol)  and brought up thoughts on our group project, which I think will end up leaving me "enlightened" in a sense on how to philosophically look at our topic of choice. We also discussed factual and discussion questions; thank you to my group for being able to elaborate on that for me! Also, just thinking back on today's full class circle, I was pondering on some questions that were raised within myself and would like to get some feedback on what all your personal thoughts are, if you don't mind. Question: when reflecting back on Augistine's thoughts on the subject, do You believe that ALL sufferage (suffering) is evil? Or is it more circumstantial to the situation?  Also, is it Really possible to TRULY be free within your mind, when your body is not? [Meaning, do you think freedom is (merely) a state of mind?] *just a few curiousities I have I suppose but look forward to hearing ffrom you guys! See you next monday & have a great weekend.


  1. I am going to have to disagree with Augustine that all suffering is evil. As some people say, a little suffering is good for the soul. So I believe suffering makes us who we are and shows us how to be strong in the face of adversity.

  2. FQ: What is the name of Nozick's second book published?
    A: Philosophical Explanation
    DQ: Do you think Rawl's theory of justice could succeed?
    Well since our mind controls our body, and when I say mind I mean the subconscious and conscious, then free will is a state of mind. While I was doing some leisure reading today I came across a conversation in which someone called another person insane to which the other replied "I prefer the term 'creative'. Though I suppose there is not much difference between the two". That's most likely what a stoic would say to whom ever calls them insane.

  3. I don't think that suffering is all evil. It helps people by motivating them to become a better person and improve their situation. And it also makes people a lot stronger and a lot more appreciate about life. So although someone's situation make start out bad, something good may come from it.

  4. factual- What is the term of God knowing what your next move is before you even do it? ( predestination)
    discussion- Do you believe in God? If so do you believe in Predestination?
    Comment- I dont think freedom is a state of mind in my own opinion
    Link- church speaks about freedom and paul writing in jail

  5. I don't believe that we were meant to suffer, but it has become a fact of human life that we do. And not all suffering is evil, sometimes its necessary. Sometimes its how you show faith.

  6. 16-2

    In my opinion, not all suffering is evil. Murder, rape, and torture are evil. Suffering includes disease outbreaks and natural disasters which I do not include in the evil group as they would be happening with or without humans on earth. It is not something we can control; maybe in the future.

    1. Where does this evil come from though? What is its origin? Is it divine, or human? What are your thoughts?

  7. Kayla Pack9:47 PM CDT

    Factual Question: What was the name of the woman looking down on Boethius?

    Factual Answer: Philosophy

    Comment: To the question regarding a mind free of your body's actions, I say there is no direct link between the two. Yes, they seemingly travel down parallel axis' but there is more than enough proof that shows they are completely independent of one another. The military gives two perfect examples showing this separation of body and mind. Take a soldier about to breach a room in a combat environment. His mind may be racing at a hundred miles per hour, his heart rate through the roof, his hands shaking. As soon as that door gets kicked open and that initial explosion goes off his training takes over instinctively and he acts on muscle memory. His mind may not be able to keep up with everything that is going on in those short seconds but his body remains in a state of total control. Now for the exact opposite, take a soldier that has recently come home. Standing in a restaurant waiting for food he hears the timer on the oven go off. That alarm just happens to be identical to the alarm he heard every single day he was in Afghanistan when mortars were inbound. His body locks up, his heart rate slows, blood starts to pool closer to his heart and away from his extremities just in case he gets hit by the explosion or resulting shrapnel. His senses sharpen, specifically his hearing, waiting to hear exactly which direction and how far the explosion is from his position, and his body prepares to send adrenaline to wherever he needs it. His body is in a complete state of shutdown for the longest 10 seconds ever, but in his mind he knows he is back home and the noise is just the oven. While he has complete and total control of his thoughts and can comprehend the situation and the lack of real danger, his body can not.

    Those two situations prove perfectly how your body and mind are not codependant on each other as the can and do act independently.

    Discussion Question: If you think your mind can't be free when your body is not, do you think your body can be free when your mind is not?

    Link: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/fight_flight/

    The link explains epinephrine, more commonly referred to as adrenaline, and the neurological process that goes with it. With more research you can find out about excess amounts of adrenaline, over-oxygenation, and the resulting shutdown of certain parts of your body that follow. Your brain is one of those parts of the body that gets thrown into autopilot while adrenaline gets pumped in excess to other parts of the body deemed more vital to the current situation.

  8. Damon McCook 16-1

    I absolutely believe that one can control the mind separately from the body. If you have ever seen videos of monks protesting by setting themselves on fire and not even flinching, then i think that proves that you can separate the two.

  9. My factual question is derived from the Little History of Philosophy. Who asked God to keep him from having sexual desires, but "not yet"? Augustine is very interesting because he posed many questions regarding the nature of the Judeo-Christian God. He was curious to know how one could believe God is entirely good and perfect, yet there is still so much suffering in the world. I personally have no opinion on this, but I could understand how this would be an important concept that many people try to comprehend. Many Calvinist groups believe in a predetermined existence that is all "part of God's plan," including experiences of suffering. They are also taught to "rejoice in all of God's judgments". It is a popular question posed amongst many religious groups and it leads to another paradox found by many people. How can free will exist if God has predetermined everyone's fates? Some religious groups believe that God chooses not to know what happens to everyone, but that God has the power to know everything. Other groups try to explain it in such a way that uses a more broad perspective of time and human existence. Some groups just disregard the question entirely and assume that it is impossible to understand the nature of a mysterious God. It is interesting to see how popular this question has become throughout history, and how there are so many different responses to it. As for my opinion on free will, I see it as a mix of sorts. I'd say most of our actions or thoughts are a result of a previous event or action, almost like a butterfly effect, while only a small portion of our movements and ideas are the result of our own pondering without intervention. It is everyone's desire to fulfill their dream or "destiny" but then again, life happens. As for a discussion question, is there such a thing as luck? Why or why not?
    Here is an interesting link I found: "9 Philosophical thought experiments that will keep you up at night."