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Monday, September 16, 2013

Section 16, Group 3

Hey guys,

So today in our group we discussed the midterm group project... Here is what we've decided on/concluded so far:
1) Our subject is Epicurus;
2) We will be working in pairs, where one person does the research for a specific topic, and the other presents the information;
And 3) an outline of the four topics we will be researching/presenting. (Subtopics to be decided on next class...?)

Someone (whose name I can't remember - sorry!) suggested that we make a Facebook group - or something - to privately, and in a more organized fashion, discuss who all is doing what and etc, etc. Thoughts...?

Please comment with suggestions/ideas, yadda yadda~


  1. Anonymous4:52 PM CDT

    Abigail Jones (16,3)

    I LOVE OUR TOPIC!!!! I think a biography, his teachings (broken up into different subheadings), and his legacy would be great topic ideas!

    FQ: Who was one of the last Roman philosophers? Boethius

    DQ: Boethius spent his last days in prison writing a book. What would you do? I think I would write letters to the people that meant the most to me!

    You can find this week's group comment on our previous discussion board. You can find this weeks comment for another group on 16,1.


  2. Ricky: Section 16 Group 3

    We were actually productive and talkative today but then the bomb was dropped and another group had our topic that we wanted to do. But yeah, our focus is on Epicurus and subtopics we'll go into are his biography, influences, his ideology, and how his ideology applies to practical, everyday life. Of course as our research goes we'll add onto these (unless we're made to change our topic, which I hope won't be the case). Hope to discuss further more in Wednesday's class

    FQ: Originating in Persia (present day Iran), the belief that God was not supremely powerful is known as ___? (Manichaeism)
    DQ: We, as humans, all are born with the right of free will. What we choose to do with our free will is based on our own decisions whether it be to do good or to sin. According to Augustine and the 'Original Sin' everyone sins at birth due to being offspring of the previous generation. Do you think children are born sinners? why/why not?

    Video about Augustine's Conversion to Christianity

  3. Ben Nguyen (16-1)10:51 AM CDT

    Who will be researching his massive garden orgies?

    You know, I have become really skeptical of Epicurus ever since I read that excerpt on him.

  4. Anonymous3:18 PM CDT


    FQ:What book did Boethius write while he was in prison?
    (The Consolation of Philosophy)

    DQ:What/who do you think the women appeared in Boetius's cell is?
    (Ghost? illusion? god? his gf/wife? or himself)

    I am not religious. This chapter and the chapter before made me have some thoughts on god. just after all, it is no way to convert me to Christian.


  5. Anonymous4:31 PM CDT

    Anthony Helton

    DQ: Why did some people write Santayana as a morose figure?
    Because his parents deserted him

    FQ: What did Santayana have tailored for him when he was too old for constant movement?
    His pajamas

    Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERmoiHnmPg8 Epicureanism explained with words and sounds haha

  6. Kristin Barton (16-3)6:02 PM CDT

    I think it's a great topic too. A facebook group, or some place online where we can compile all of our individual research would be really helpful! That would be the easiest was for us all to stay in contact with what everyone else is doing.

    FQ: Who was said to approach philosophy with "a common man's touch"?

    DQ: Dewey's first wife made the statement that she would rather see her children starve than her husband abandon his principles. Are there any principles you would be willing to die or sacrifice someone for, or do you think she's just being extreme?

    I don't have a link, but reading about Beothius's stoic rejection of relying on wealth and power reminded me of a piece of classical Japanese literature that warns the same thing: anything can be taken away from you, so find happiness from another source. Here's a little translated excerpt of it:

    Rely not on the many things of the world. Fools place their trust in these worldly matters and are in turn betrayed and angered.
    Rely not on power, for the strong are the first to fall.
    Rely not on wealth, for it is quick to fade.
    Rely not on erudition for even Confucius was rejected in his time.
    Rely not on morality, for you may suffer the same fate as Han Yui.
    Rely not on lords, for they are the ones who punish you.
    Rely not on servants, for one can never know which may flee.
    Rely not on man's goodness, for his heart may change in a moment.
    Rely not on promises, for so many have been broken.
    If you rely on neither yourself nor on others, then you can be happy in moments of triumph without despair in moments of falling.

  7. Austin Duke8:02 PM CDT

    (16-1) That is a very interesting poem. Where did you find it?

    1. Kristin (16-3)10:31 AM CDT

      Thanks. It's part of Essays in Idleness, which was written by a Japanese monk in the 14th century. Unfortunately I couldn't find a translated version anywhere online.


  8. 16-2
    Great poem. And also thanks for taking our topic!

  9. Shelby 16-310:40 PM CDT

    I like our topic too. I feel it will be a great way to split up the jobs and expand on our topics to relate to what we've learned in class.

    FQ: What book did Boethius write while he was in prison? -The Consolation of Philosophy.

    DQ: In the Boethius chapter, a question is asked that if God already knows what we are going to do, how can we have a genuine choice about what we are going to do? is choice just an illusion? thoughts?

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3km46z47uY

  10. Courtney 16-310:48 PM CDT

    I am really excited about our topic! We need to start talking about who gets what section tomorrow.

    Boethius bridged Greek and Roman thinkers with which popular religion?- Christianity
    Boethius discusses freewill throughout his book, do you believe in free will?

  11. You guys pick a really good topic, my group had the same philosopher in mind. Back to the drawing board for us, then.

  12. Michael 16-310:02 AM CDT

    FQ:Who's philosophy helped bridge Greek and Roman thinkers into Christian philosophy? (Boethius)

    DQ: In the reading about Boethius, it asks the question of freewill in humanity if God already know what everyone is going to do, is it possible to still have free will if God is perceiving time in a different dimension then us?

    This link is perhaps the most interesting video I have seen all year, it grapples with the concept of 10 different dimensions. Humans can only perceive 3 of them, so what does that mean for our interpretation of reality?

  13. Yeah, we need to separate topics today! That shouldn't be too hard though since we have 4 already.

    DQ: "Indefinite earthly existence" was mentioned in class on monday. What are your thoughts on this subject?

    FQ: What state of mind do the Sceptics and Stoics both aim for? (A calm one.)

  14. Also, saw this the other day and thought it was pretty amusing. :)


  15. (16-2) Wish group 2 had gotten Epicurus first; at least there are plenty to choose from.