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Thursday, September 5, 2013

Group 2, Section 17

Today in class we had our first discussion over the assigned reading. David noted a quote from Socrates that he found particularly interesting and the group discussed our views on the quote. We also talked about the presence of philosophy in tv shows. Finally, we speculated as to whether or not philosophers would make good politicians which resulted in a near unanimous, no. This led us into the question of philosophy's purpose and its necessity in today's society.


  1. FQ: Where does " One swallow doesn't make a summer" come from? ( The Nicomachean Ethics)

    DQ: Do you agree with Aristotle to have true happiness it requires a longer life?

    Link: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/aristotle.html

    1. S. Madrid (16-2) I believe that while we can achieve true happiness over time and throughout our lives in a broader sense; however, I do believe there are moments more precious than others. While they may be short memories, they are often some of our fondest.

      FQ: To whom did Aristotle dedicate his book The Nicomachean Ethics? (Nicomachus, his son)
      DQ: Plato was primarily concerned with the world of forms (or ideas) and would be content thinking in one spot; Aristotle was interested in the reality of our senses. Which method of thinking gains more wisdom?

    2. I agree with Aristotle because if your life is not long how can you compare the events in your life and conclude that you indeed had led an overall happy life.

  2. I personally think philosophers would not make good politicians because they would never come to the same conclusion.

  3. I think that philosophers would make good politicians because they are always trying to get to truth. Everyone knows that politicians are notorious for lying, why not have all of them out seeking for the truth.

  4. S. Madrid (16-2)

  5. Damon McCook (16-1)

    I dont agree that philosophers wont make good politicians. I think this world needs philosophers in the political field. However, i dont think politicians make good philosophers. From my limited time spent lobbying in state capitols, i feel that politicians are only looking for votes, not wisdom. This world needs more people seeking and sharing wisdom, not chasing votes.

  6. FQ: Who encouraged people to find the philosophy of their everyday lives? A: Lou Mrinoff.

    DQ: What do you think is the importance of seeing why we live the way we live?

    this link helped me to better understand the types of philosophy and the different ways philosophers interpret everyday living: http://jmpage.org/?p=21

  7. What is one virtue of character Aristotle talks about? Self-regarding, concerned with one's own good.

    Do you believe that Aristotle's ethics are still relevant today?

    I thought it was really challenging to think of a TV that was philosophical since now most of the TV shows are reality.

    Link: Where good ideas come from? When someone comes up with a good idea, it can be in their own interest or the interest of other people.

  8. I think philosophers shouldn't be politicians, but advise politicians in decisions.

    FQ:Who wrote the book, "Plato, Not Prozac! Applying Philosophy to Everyday Problems"? Lou Marinoff
    DQ: Do you agree with Marinoff that philosophers should practice as therapist?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24FxdvfOko Socrates on self- confidence

  9. (17-2) Should philosophers be politicians? I can see the argument from both sides although I would have to say I don't think they would be good in an office. To seek truth means your questioning everything at all time. They would not come to make any decisions they continue to question one another and not agree on anything. If you agree to disagree that is not a decision!

    What two extremes did Aristotle every virtue lies between? Would you agree? Foolhardiness and cowardice

    In a later group discussion most of the group felt it would be awesome to get views and follows philosophers in politics.

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  11. (16,1)
    I agree that philosophers would more than likely not make good politicians.

  12. Who did Plato work for during 384 BC? (Alexander the Great)

    Do you believe happiness is just something we feel or something much more?

    I think politicians are philosophers themselves in a way. They all have their own forms of wisdom that come together to reach a common goal. It may just be another example of being a bad philosopher.

    Since we're going to be discussing happiness, I think this video is fitting.


  13. Ben Nguyen 16-19:10 AM CDT

    Would it be too far to say that there wouldn't really be a big difference between philosophers and politicians in office?

    First, take the politicians in the senate and the committee. To pass a bill, it must attain the majority vote among hundreds of people in the committee and senate afterwards. Each of those politicians have their own personal code of ethics. Now, the reason that is important is because don't bills/laws only make sense to the right set of morals? If a person believes that abortion is murder, that person would likely never understand why abortion is legal by law when the law also states that murder is illegal.

    Therefore like philosophers, politicians each have their own beliefs, regardless of popular belief. In that case, each politician would vote according to their beliefs (hopefully), and in the process they also argue enormously.

    (plus who says politicians get more work done anyway?)

  14. Politicians in office who are also philosophers is very interesting to consider. I cant decide if things would get done with more thought for people or if discussions would just go around in circles with no ending.

  15. Fact: Which three great thinkers formed a chain? (Socrates, Plato, Aristole)

    Discuss: Do you agree many modern philosophers believe that he was right about the importance of developing the virtues, and that his view of what happiness is was accurate and inspiring?

  16. I believe happiness is an emotion.