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Wednesday, September 25, 2013

Section 16, Group 3

Sorry for the late post, guys. Don't hate me.

On Monday we discussed our group project, just fleshing out all the little details that were unclear before. Our groups/pairs are set, everyone knows what their role is in the group, and we're now utilizing Facebook to keep in touch and share research.

Tink and I will be in charge of the composition of the presentation. If anyone or any group needs help with research, feel free to ask.

Again, very sorry for the late post!
Hailey Lawson


  1. Anonymous10:11 AM CDT


    FQ: Who believed that everything would fall apart and society would decompose into separate people ready to tear each other to pieces in order to survive?
    (Thomas Hobbes )

    DQ: Do you believe human are born selfish? Do you think everyone would go out murder or rob or steal if there are no laws or regulation?

    see what this guy thinking.

    1. Anonymous11:44 AM CDT

      In a way I do believe we are born selfish, as an infant we want what we want and if we don't get it we cry and through fits. It is through socialization that we learn to be selfless!

    2. Do you believe in a selfless act?

  2. Michael 16-310:53 AM CDT

    FQ:Thomas Hobbes theorized that without ______ humans self-destructive and greedy nature would lead to anarchy. (a strong government)

    DQ: Machiavelli believed that half of our lives are based on luck and the other half is what we do. He saw virtue or "manliness" as taking what you want, deceiving those who get in your way and cutting down anything or anyone who would stop you. Can this be a fruitful way to live? If not then how can we explain gangsters such as Al Capone?

    Link: http://giama.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/the-philosophy-of-time-travel.pdf
    From the Film Donnie Darko, "the Philosophy of Time Travel" by Roberta Sparrow.

  3. Kristin (16-3)10:56 AM CDT

    Machiavelli and Hobbes both based their ideas on the thought that humans rely on preexisting laws and societies to be good, but in actuality, it was humans who came together first and then developed laws and societies. I think that some humans will naturally resort to selfish means, but a lot of them will be willing to work together and act friendly too.

    FQ: Machiavelli's book, The Prince, was aimed at what kind of leader?
    New monarchs who needed to secure their power.

    DQ: Do you think that leaders should always show generosity and mercy, or do you think there are aspects to Machievelli's principles that are true?

    Link: If any of you play Assassin's Creed, Machiavelli was an Assassin!

  4. Anonymous11:49 AM CDT

    Anthony Helton 16-3
    FQ: Thomas Hobbes wrote what book that is he most known for?
    DQ: Why did Thomas Hobbes focus on Political and Social order the most?
    Because he wanted to know how human beings can live together in peace and avoid the danger and fear of civil conflict.
    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuq0fOfE-hc

  5. unique sec 16/grouop 311:49 AM CDT

    FQ: What philosopher emphasized not the "true" principles of justice, but ones Americans can live with? (John Rawls)
    DQ: Before class the topic of "human nature" was brought up. i would like to know what everyone thinks human nature is and in what situations is it ok, if ever to say "its just human nature"?

    Michael i absolutely think that is the wrong way to live. if the only means of getting what you need is deceiving others then that person needs to reevaluate their life in its entirety.

    below is a link to a philosophy comic. i think it is really cute and funny. it is generally relevant because its about philosophy but not specifically about human nature and the way we live.

    1. Avery 17-31:34 PM CDT

      If you look at "human nature" from an analytic standpoint, there is no such thing. What seems natural to us is very different than what seems natural to the Kayapo tribe of the Amazon. How we view such things all stem from our culture. We like to say that it's human nature to be greedy, but if you lived in a nomadic culture where everything you had was open to everyone else, and that's the way it's been for generations, greed may not be that big of an issue to them.

  6. FQ: Who was Machiavelli compared to? (The devil.)

    DQ: What does everyone else think about Aquinas' beliefs involving God?

  7. Quick video on existentialism and my favorite philosopher, Sartre.


  8. Courtney 16-312:04 PM CDT

    I know we discussed meeting in the library to practice. Do you think it will be best to do it sooner or later?
    FQ: Did Machiavelli work as a diplomat or political theorist first?- Diplomat
    DQ: How would you define "manliness?"
    Link: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/niccolo_machiavelli.html