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Thursday, September 5, 2013

Section 16: Group 1

Today although we were unable to get in our groups but Mr Oliver discussed some of his blog posts including the "Are we experienced" and "caving to reality" blog post. He also discussed the plans for Carlin Romano to visit Mtsu and speak at the Lyceum on Novemeber 8th. Mr Oliver also discussed some of the reading that we did over Plato & Socrates.


  1. So what are the reading for next week? how are we supposed to ask factual questions and discussion questions if we dont have the readings?

    1. Kristin Barton (16, 3)12:21 PM CDT

      Under "Next in CoPhi," it has all the readings we need to have done for the coming week listed.

      Right now, it says:

      M 9/T10 - Aristotle (LH); Irwin (PB); Marinoff, Outlaw (AP 27-36)

      W 11/TH 12 - Pyrrho, Epicurus (LH); The APA & the idea of "American philosophy" (AP 36-56)

      That means by Monday 9, we must have Aristotle (LH); Irwin (PB); Marinoff, Outlaw (AP 27-36) read and commented on. Then by Wednesday 11, we have to have Pyrrho, Epicurus (LH); The APA & the idea of "American philosophy" (AP 36-56) read and done. Every week should be listed like this.

    2. Anonymous12:02 PM CDT

      got it now. it still had the old readings on there the other day. thank you

  2. Jonathan Bogasky3:27 PM CDT

    In Prof. Oliver's blog entitled "Are we experienced?" He's largely speaking of American society as 'we', just as in our text, 'America the Philosophical.' Our society hasn't come to be how it is by chance. Every decision that has been made to shape our country has been done in accordance with an individual's or group's values. And to truly know what one's values are, one has to ask some difficult questions that philosophy entails. So, to sum it up, I don't believe that any government or culture can be shaped without a good bit of philosophy involved, intentional or not.

    FQ: What was Aristotle's primary area of study? (Ethics)
    DQ: Can you be moral and immoral in the same instance?

    Dilbert clip on ethics- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSWusph3ig

  3. Austin Duke3:48 PM CDT

    Austin Duke (16-1) I agree with Mr. Bogasky. In the 237 years that America has been a country, and even before that, the people who built this country have experienced everything from settling a strange land to becoming the most powerful nation in the world. The experiences shaped the way Americans do things and think about life. So of course these unique experiences would create a distinct American philosophy.

    FQ: What was the word Aristotle used to describe true happiness (eudaimonia)

    DQ: Is happiness the same thing as success?

  4. It really grabbed my attention in class, when Prof. Oliver was talking about whether one could be philosophical or not based on an experience that one could have to support what he/she believes, or based on whether that person had grown up believing one way over another. It got me thinking about if what I believe now is true, or is it what I've grown up knowing? For example, Christianity.

    FQ: What was Aristotle's Philosophical School called? (Lyceum)
    DQ: Do we actually think what we believe is true, or is it what we've grown up knowing?

    Link: http://www.firstthings.com/article/2008/08/001-can-philosophy-be-christian-3

    1. Anonymous2:01 AM CDT

      Courtney Bailey 16-1
      I like your discussion question, it is a question we all need to consider. Many of us grow up believing things just because thats how we were raised, when we really need to understand and believe things for ourselves.

  5. jordan Cornelius12:53 PM CDT

    I loved listening to him talk on Wednesday about his blog. FQ: Why was it called the Lyceum? DQ: what has been the most influential piece we've read yet?
    Jordan Cornelius Sec. 16 G. 1

  6. Anonymous4:30 PM CDT

    Abigail Jones (16,3)
    Although both blogs were interesting, "Caving to Reality" was my favorite of the two blogs he talked about.

  7. I loved Plato's cave theory. I think that still stands true today, with a large portion of the population refusing to question authority. Some religions still dont believe the Earth is more than 10,000 years old when there is PLENTY of evidence suggesting other wise. But because thats what they are told it has to be true. Dinosaurs never existed yet fossils exist. Those people are looking at shadows on the walls.

    FQ: According to Aristotle and seemingly Nigel Warburton, how can Eudaimonia be achieved? (Can only be achieved in relation to life in a society)
    DQ: Aristotle's view of happiness seems to be aimed more towards success. Some of the happiest people on Earth come from poverty stricken countries. Can one be "happy" and not be successful?

    1. Here is a link about happiness : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvAoxLz7gBI

  8. Xoe Thacker (16,1)
    I really enjoyed learning all the tv shows, and comics that involve philosophy like Breaking Bad and Batman. All you really have to do to distinguish this is open your mind and eyes to this. My factual question is why did it take so long for people to start questioning Aristotle even though the the point of philosophy is to question things? My discussion question would have to be does everyone agree with the theory that happiness could depend on "good luck?" My link today is a quote I liked on happiness by Emerson, “For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

  9. Taylore 16-212:08 AM CDT

    Upon entering college I wasn't sure why I believed certain things, and yet my only explanation was because that's how I was raised. It wasn't until recently that I dug deeper and experienced certain things, which led to forming my own opinion some of which are oppose of my initial beliefs.

  10. Ben Nguyen 16-18:57 AM CDT

    What is the teaching style that arose from Socrates's philosophy? (Socratic method) So, do you believe that life is hidden by our cave or that what you see is what you get?

    I liked how Dr. Oliver pointed out that what we believe is what we've experienced. I truly do believe that people develop traits through their personal experiences. I think that is why statistics seems so believable; the human persona looks like a trend.

    Here is a link to more of Kant's work. I love what his ideas!


  11. Andrew 16-110:48 AM CDT

    FQ: Who pioneered philosophical counseling? (Gerd Achenback in Germany early 1980's)
    DQ: Do you believe philosophers make good therapist or counselers? Would you trust a trained psychiatrist over a philosopher for counceling?

    I am interested in attending Carlin Romano's speech. Especially after digging deeper into his book.

    1. Andrew 16-1 again. . .10:54 AM CDT


      Almost forgot, my favorite is the cartoon, "you are here, but why?"

  12. Chelsea 16-111:50 AM CDT

    During Wednesdays lecture I think that one thing that stuck out to me was when Prof. Oliver talked about how some say to be a philosopher you need to have gone through the college classes but he said that he thinks anyone one can be a philosopher by asking questions and thinking philosophically.

    Here are some Q's from Aristotle's chapter in LH

    FQ: From what book is the quote " One swallow doesn't make a summer"?
    - The Neomachean Ethics by Aristotle

    DQ: Do you agree with Aristotle's view that true happiness requires a longer life and therefore children can't be truly happy?

    Link : http://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/history-of-happiness/aristotle/