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Tuesday, February 19, 2013

H4 Wendy Brown on Tolerance

Group 4 Members: Yusra Mohammed, Erin Paul, Larissa Wolf, Evan Lester, Keaton Davis
Post by: Keaton Davis


Today, we talked about tolerance, and whether this word is the most accurate representation of what we need to attain as a society.

Wendy Brown, who gave her thoughts on tolerance in Philosophy Bites, believes that tolerating someone means you are dealing with a problem.  Larissa and Erin fell more or less into this line of thought, while Evan, Yusra, and I thought differently.  It came down to our definition of the word "tolerance."  Evan looked at tolerance as less disrespectful than neutral.  Larissa and Erin, on the other hand, saw tolerance as carrying an air of superiority over the subject being tolerated.

This lead to our search for a more accurate word to describe what we should implement as a culture.  A couple suggestions were "accept" and "acknowledge."  We finally opted for "acknowledge," because one can acknowledge someone else's beliefs without condoning them.  Respect is still shown, but not necessarily agreement.    

However, this still didn't exactly answer the question, "Where does 'tolerance' fit in?"  With more discussion, we found that there are two levels of our lives on which we could implement tolerance: a personal level and a political level.  Matthew, a floater, said that tolerance would be more appropriate on a personal level because our own self is being infringed upon (like if a drunk guy is being obnoxious towards you), so we have a right to either tolerate it (smile and do nothing) or do something about it (tell him to shut up).  However, as a couple other people pointed out, on the political level, where we are not directly impacted by someone's beliefs or actions (like religious beliefs or lack thereof), we should choose to acknowledge them, or respectfully agree to disagree, as Larissa said.



Another floater, Zach,  took a different approach.  He saw tolerance as the neutral state in between acceptance and rejection.  His example is as follows: Attending a gay wedding is accepting it, joining the picketers protesting it is rejecting it, and walking past it but not doing anything (even if you have a particular view on gay marriage) is tolerating it.

Mason, yet another floater, mentioned elected officials and how it doesn't make sense for them to just say, "Present" instead of actually voting on a particular subject.  They're being paid to have an opinion; they should share it!  This brought up the idea that we should not be afraid to voice our opinions just because people do not agree with them.  The point of multiculturalism and cosmopolitanism is to provide an environment in which people can freely share and support particular beliefs without fear of being shut down.

Overall, I really enjoyed the conversation we had today, and I hope we will continue to develop it in our comments! 

Also, due to the somewhat intricate nature of our discussion, I may not have completely done it justice in my summary.  I may have scrambled what idea belongs to whom and how many people shared a particular thought, or even misinterpreted our final consensus.  If that's the case, please forgive me, and correct me in the comments!

8 comments:

  1. Well, well, well looks like sommmebody has a real knack for author-ing Keaton! (:

    I think one of our biggest points in the discussion today was just trying to get to a point where we came to a consensus for the definition of tolerance. I think it was actually a good demonstration of how the same word can have a different connotations and meaning to different people. I wonder where that comes from? Perhaps experiences or encounters we’ve had with the word present? Just a thought..

    You are willing to look the other way, allow the person to do what they’re doing, but not agree with it personally. We brought up the example of someone who goes out an parties and drinks and does drugs. I agree with what we came to a decision on. Tolerance is something you have for something you don’t agree with. Acknowledgement or perhaps agreeing to disagree is accurate as well! For instance I can agree to disagree with the example I gave before.

    Also real quick- I think ALL of our floaters had really awesome points and tidbits to add!

    FQ: What is the word Wendy Brown wants us to move towards instead of “tolerance”?
    ANSWER: Acceptance

    DQ: What connotation does the word tolerance have on you?

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  2. At first, I looked at tolerance without having a good or bad connotation. I thought ... well it is just a word that is not vulgar in any way. Therefore, it could not have a bad connotation. However, I was glad to be proven wrong about this. My group members made a very strong argument that it does have a negative connotation when you are "tolerating" someone. For example, "I do not like what you are doing so I am going to tolerate you." This would mean that you are saying their actions are worse than yours. I never really thought of that until this conversation came up.

    For the real definition of tolerance, I really like acknowledge. This does not mean that you have to accept believe in something. You just have to know it is there.

    I also agree with Yusra that our floaters were great in the discussions. They brought up very unique ways of what tolerance means to them.

    I believe tolerance, AKA Acknowledgement, is something we do every day. You may see someone doing illegal drugs on the sidewalk or someone on campus that is doing things that you do not agree with, but you acknowledge that they are there, but you do not do anything about it. We just acknowledge that they are doing something that I would not do, and we move on with our lives.

    Great discussion Group 4 and floaters as well!

    DQ: Does infinity really exist? Do you think that the term "infinity" should be used?

    FQ: Q: Who said "When you're thinking about the infinite, you're thinking about something very basic."

    A: A.W. Moore

    Link: http://www.un.org/en/events/toleranceday/
    I thought this was interesting. I did not know that there was an International Day of Tolerance. It is on November 16th. Read the article for more information!

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  3. Good summary Keaton, I really liked the graphic at the beginning. You guys had some great contributions from your floaters!

    Though its really comes down to definition and connotation, I understand tolerance to be more of an action than an attitude. I can tolerate your existence because I have too. Doesn't mean I like it, or you, but I can put up with it. It masks the condition of my heart.

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  4. Matthew added an interesting tidbit to the point Yusra just mention, concerning the connotations of words and the impact that have on us. The reason I did not include it in my summary is because I cannot confidently recount everything he said, so Matthew, please tell us about it if you want to; it's really cool and definitely something we should observe in ourselves and see if we are hurting or helping ourselves in the way we speak.

    DQ: Do you think political correctness is hurting us more than helping us?
    FQ: Who's hotel helps put infinity into perspective?
    FA: David Hilbert

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    1. http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Sapir-Whorf_hypothesis

      it appears that I may have overstated the implications of the theory, but I think that the point still stands as food for thought. :)

      The article brings up a point on how words matter by referring to 1984's "newspeak", as well as other fictional cases. Check it out! as I said, I love this theory.

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    2. Hey that's still cool! Thanks for posting it!

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  5. Your word choice has a major impact on what you are trying to convey. I think we’ve all written quite a few papers analyzing diction. For me, tolerate and tolerance, verb and noun, both say the same thing. You tolerate someone. I tolerate your actions. I have tolerance for a certain issue. Your attitude is still the same: both words are connected. The word tolerance seems so disrespectful and demeaning. When I was in the group, someone mentioned how you tolerate a little kid, which is a common phrase. I find thinking of it this way helps clarify what the word conveys. The impression I get is, “I do not condone your actions, nor I am happy with them, but I’ll just deal with it.” It’s passive aggressive: it’s a way of skirting around the issue. It isn’t equality, respect, or understanding. It quite frankly goes against how we’ve been saying we should act.
    I think in general, people tolerate. In that sense, when describing someone, using that word makes sense. However, tolerate does not line up with what we are trying to achieve.
    Another word we tossed around was acceptance. I personally do not think that acceptance automatically means agreement. Going back to little children playing, we accept that that is how children are. I accept this situation, even though I’m not happy with it, and I disagree. For instance, you apply for a job, or you want to be editor for the school paper. You don’t get picked. Do you agree? No. But do you accept the situation for what it is? Yes. I accept your argument as valid, but I do not agree with what you are saying. I accept you as a person yet I do not agree with you on every subject. Look at the whole picture rather than just one part: I think that’s acceptance. “Accept what you cannot change.” Isn’t that kind of what we’re trying to do? We’re accepting people for who they are rather than “tolerating” their existence.
    I do think acknowledgment is somewhat the same thing, and even maybe a stepping stone to acceptance. Perhaps I am looking at this in a broader sense, but I don’t think being so specific is necessarily helpful. If you characterize someone by their religion, sexual orientation, etc. you forget that they’re a person too. If you remember everyone is their own person, you stop viewing it as an action you have to tolerate and more of as a person you need to accept.


    DQ: What does acceptance mean to you?
    FQ: What is one problem with infinity?
    A: You can’t define it.

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  6. Erin Paul12:56 AM CST

    Good summary, Keaton! I enjoyed the depth of our discussion! I liked what Matthew said about the influence the words we say have on our actions and opinions. I think it's good to think about the power behind the words we are so used to saying on a day to day basis. Even if you don't believe a specific word is demeaning or rude, someone else may, so caution should still be used. I believe 'tolerate' and 'tolerance' are words that we are so used to saying and hearing that we don't put a lot of thought into them. As you can see from our discussion, there is no concrete definition. I think 'tolerance' has been tossed around so many times that we use it to just cover up a lot of things. Kind of like some people mentioned - if you don't really wanna deal with something, you can just 'tolerate' it. Personally I believe the world 'tolerance' has a negative connotation and makes it seem as if you're saying you are better than that person because of their actions you don't agree with. I think it's fine to tell someone you don't agree with what they're doing but respect is key.

    FQ: What does Moore say the two problems with infinity are?
    It can't be defined and there hasn't been a consensus.

    DQ: Do you have a hard time believing infinity?

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