Up@dawn 2.0

Wednesday, February 13, 2013

14-1: Coin Flipping


If only God’s existence were as simple as flipping a coin. Pascal’s wager seems to assume that the complexity of belief can be reduced to a simple decision. In binary terms, the gains of believing in God surely outweigh the losses—but in binary terms, so much of humanity is erased.

So not only was Pascal’s wager exclusive of the multitude of religions—and of gods—that are present among different cultures, it also reduced Christianity to simple terms of opposites.

This argument is perhaps more holistic than that of free will, yet we still end up with the same answer: that there are none. Our group, week after week, always comes to the same conclusion: that when faith is questioned, it is inevitably destroyed, perhaps even by the same force that creates it. The point of religion—ideally, at least—is belief. If one has belief at all, it should not be questioned, because faith itself is supposed to eclipse those very questions. The bottom line? Faith and logic just don’t mix.  That doesn’t mean that one should not open their mind to other possibilities, not at all—it just means that you cannot force disbelief in the same way that you cannot force belief. It's not a formula, but a feeling.

Did Pascal even breach the realm of philosophy, or did he remain within Christianity, to which his “philosophy” was really only a personal defense?  There has been a trend among these religious philosophers, and more often than not, their individual theories end up seeming like justifications for what they can’t answer. I suppose most of us fear the unknown, and these philosophers, like so many of us, wanted to make sense of the world and their place in it. But the gaps they bridge seem tenuous, vulnerable to even the slightest of questions.

Pascal’s definition of “faith” was also very narrow—in the end, faith cannot be defined by how many times one goes to church or the number of prayers one says.  
Going through the motions of belief does not equal belief. Perhaps ideally, it would, because we can’t deny the hope and protection that religion offers to its followers. If we could choose what we believed in, the world would be much simpler, and maybe we wouldn’t have so many conflicts. But isn’t that the beauty of our differences—that we can then acknowledge them, question them, accept them, and change? Without anything against which to measure ourselves, we wouldn’t be going anywhere, both relatively and progressively. 

7 comments:

  1. The thing I'm getting most of the time from all of our philisophical discussion is that nothing is black and white when it comes to any issue of beleif. When it comes to Pascal, I have a hard time seeing how faith and logic can work together. The more you rationalize your faith the harder it will be for you to let go and just believe. I think Pascal's entire life was just a mass case of overthinking. I feel like if he had just embraced the unknown and let himself be subject to the world around him he would have had an easier time believing. Faith for me comes through life's expereinces, not subjecting yourself to unlimited suffering over the fate of your soul. Belief in God is trust.
    I know there are people out there that think it is simpleminded or gullible to just blindly trust that God is there, but personally, I think, when you look around you at the world and the people in it you see how obvious it is that God is in fact there and actively participating in the universe.
    The idea of Pantheisim does appeal to me to an extent, but maybe in a slightly different way. I think it is necessary to see God in the world around you, not necessarily as a diety, but as the acts and blessings of that diety, extentions of God, but I don't believe that God is only that. To be infinite and omniscient, God has to have a hand in everything, be a part of everything, but I personally also believe in a personified God that we are made in the likeness of. I think that everything in the world is sort of God's guiding force,to help you find the path that your life is supposed to be on, and just so that we can see God's power and grace in our lives. I think its maybe God's way of showing us that what is to come will be all right, but then again, this is philosophy so everything is unknown, right?
    The way I see it, I'm okay with that.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Duude, we came to the same conclusion like three dead philosophers ago. Matter of fact, this is the fifth class in a row (I think) that we've primarily waxed on an external power in our lives. I actually grown a bit tired of it, simply because it always comes back to "well, you can't argue faith!" It kills the argument, and you're left with six minutes on the bell wondering what to do with your life.

    And I guess as I pointed out in my summary, to say you do or don't believe in anything is a very, very loaded question. I honestly believe being christian is just one of those things, because even though we're all of the same religion, some of us are cut from two completely different cloths that you could barely recognize each other. One person's practice of Christianity could be much different from someone else's. I've affirmed my belief that it's something that can't be pigeon holed, and something that will vary from person to person.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I completely agree! Rationally, there is no room for argument—you either completely embrace or completely overthrow the notion of faith. Also, I don't know why it seems that group 1 always ends up with the least interesting philosopher... I'd have much rather discussed Spinoza's pantheism.

      That's definitely true. Our faiths vary not only in degree, but also in the way it encompasses who we are. For example, I don't that think someone without faith has any less of a wholesome life. I don't think that faith is a gap that one needs to fill; rather, it settles itself in the space we allow it. That being said, there is going to be an infinite amount of ways that someone defines his or her belief. (And, just personally, I dislike when people think I'm lacking something just because I don't believe in a god. I'm not any less of a person because of that.)

      Delete
  3. Brian Hester11:20 AM CST

    I think the entire 50/50 thing doesn't leave much room for any other theology first off. That means to him there were only two options, believe and go to heaven, or don't and go to hell. I don't agree with that. I really don't know what to think about the entire faith/logic deal. I think there is some room for them to coexist.

    ReplyDelete
  4. I agree with Brian that his notion of 50/50 only applies to Christianity (at least that's the only religion mentioned). His ideals do not span far enough to include every person. He also contradicts himself with the way he describes the 50/50 way of thinking...if you are a Christian, you more than likely read the Bible and would know that God prefers people to be all for him, or not at all...no middle ground. His notion of just fooling yourself into having a religion does not make sense with his religious background.
    DO you ever make decisions with the flip of coin, or always examine the different possibilities?

    ReplyDelete
  5. Ian Mallari12:51 PM CST

    Pascal's way of thinking, like previously said, doesn't allow enough people to identify with it. I think his term of logic is smart...but logic and faith do not often flow together. This presents Pascal, like other philosophers as human contradictions. I was intrigued, however, by Pascal's notion that there are no loses and only a win-win situation if you 'follow' God. The thing he doesn't touch on is how God doesn't want us to 'play' church, he wants a personal relationship. So this, again, proves Pascal's thoughts weren't thought all the way through.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Pascal's wager is an intriging idea that live one way or the other is really saying that where do you believe the good times will be had right now in the moment or after your dead because of good behavior. Its not that there could be more to life than just right now that there could be more to afterlife than just blackness and nothing just seizing to exist your thoughts and ideas just gone from the physical world. or your ideas and thoughts take you to heaven or hell depending on the value of your moral and religious deeds. its a hard pill to swallow and keep down for your entire life until its time to find out. i spent the first 15yrs a christian i gave that up due to the people i knew and how i perceived the fact they all thought of themselves as god loving people but were the worst people i have known to date. you can convince yourself you have this back up plan for when you die that was all they were concerned with. i did take some of my morals with me when me and christianity broke up. i am an explorist in other religons i have read into satanism, buddist,herbalism,folk ellure, greek mythology, my own spin on my universe. i guess with all that i have put together my take on the world is you have to make it yours and let no one decipher the world but you and make the good decisions for the future and to be succesful, show up, work smarter, not harder, take pride in anything you do.

    ReplyDelete

Note: Only a member of this blog may post a comment.