Up@dawn 2.0

Monday, March 24, 2014


It is finally getting to be Spring! :) Today we got to walk around and talk about philosophy outside.

Here are the main points Sam, Colton and I talked about on the way to the observatory and the new building:
- We think it doesn't matter if perceived reality is similar to the reality science describes, because it doesn't change the way we perceive things and live our lives.  Basically, we are all realists as opposed to idealists.
- We noticed Plato's ideas about the Theory of Form being an influence in Locke and Berkeley's theories.

Feel free to talk about the new posted readings, or tell us what else you talked about on the walk.  You can also continue discussions here, if we went off on a tangent when you were really interested in something that was mentioned.

It was very fun! I hope we do it again soon.
Also, what an incredibly beautiful tree.  They don't have these where I am from! (at least not in quantity)


  1. Philosoraptors other half consist of Zach, Aaron, myself. It was great to be able to take a walk around campus on such a pretty day. We are looking forward to many days ahead like this.

    We mainly discuss John Locke and George Berkeley discussing were as following:

    * In our adventure we first Stopped over at the Naked Eye Observatory. It was very interesting. We had never actually been over to it.

    * Did Berkeley even every exist at one point. How do we know we just read about him in a book. That book was written from someone thoughts. We can only think about him not really knowing if he is real or not.

    * "Phido"? What is it Zach, said Phildo and he was told that it was not a word; therefore, the topic was how do we know it's not a word. all words are made up at one point. Why can't his word be a word we don't know for sure.

    * Are any words actually words or are they just a thought of our imagination?

    * We also got a chance to tour the new Student Service Building on our journey

    * We all wonder if this walk was real or were we just in a dream and that the dream was that of just one of us, or are we all just having the same idea at the same time.

    * We had to catch the shuttle to get back on time and a young man on there over heard us talking and ask, "You all must be in Philosophy"? But, we are not for sure if we really was on a bus according to Berkeley

    * Berkeley on his philosophy about existence is not something our group could totally agree with him on.

    Readings for Wednesday are LH p 99-109; AP p 161-172; & PB p 106-123

    1. Wish I'd been with you, that sounds like it was a productive walk! But let me say, for Berkeley, that he'd not doubt you were on a bus or any other common-sense appearance, he'd just deny that the reality of your bus ride was materially based. You encountered the ride as an idea, the observatory as an idea, etc. Pragmatists like me will always then want to ask: what practical difference does it make to you and me, if Berkeley is right? Might make none at all, OR it might change how you think and behave. You think?

    2. I apologize I guess I worded it wrong because the guys did say that it could be an idea of their imagination and it was weird if they were having the idea at the same time.

  2. This weeks reading that I enjoyed was the reading from The Little History of Philosophy. David Hume's "The Imaginary Watchmaker" to be specific. I myself am religious for sure, but I am also a person who loves to learn other prospectives. David Hume's idea of what is actually the creator or if there is one at all is a very outside of the box way of thinking, and I like that about his writing. He seemed to not be afraid to question things. "There is always more plausible explanations for what is going on". That quote is something I believe I will remember and later use in my daily thought process.

    DQ: How do you feel about Hume's view or what is the maker?

    FQ: David Hume was an active Atheist ? T or F

    FQ: What year did Hume publish his Enquiry Concerning Human Understand?

  3. Christopher Winfrey8:59 PM CDT

    Hey guys, I just want to apologize for posting in your group again. My group doesn't have a post again, but I will be signing up as an author tomorrow to make sure this doesn't keep happening. And I'm sorry if anyone was doing this section and I used questions similar to you. I'm just trying to at least do my part.

    Millican (PB)
    FQ: Who are the big three British Empiricists?
    FQ: Whose telescopic observations played a major role in overthrowing Aristotle's theory of the heavens?
    FQ: What principle did people consider a real puzzle during Hume's time?
    FQ: Who does Hume's thought experiment about billiard balls involve?
    FQ: What does Hume say the basis for what we expect to happen is?
    FQ: What "religion" does Peter Millican say Hume is?

    DQ: What ground could we give for extrapolating the past to the future? (Hume's question, I just really liked it)

    LINK: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume/
    Here is a link to Hume's biography. It also includes a list of his works if anyone is interested.

    1. If there's not a post from your group, Chris, you're not the one to apologize. Thanks for posting.

  4. LH- David Hume
    FQ: What did being openly against religious belief cause for Hume? p101 A job at the university.

    FQ: Hume states different ways the eye could have been created; what are they? p102 An old god who has died, a young god still learning, a single living God with power, or a team of lesser gods working together.

    FQ: What does Hume never openly declare? p104 That he is an atheist.

    DQ: In your OPINION do you believe Hume was an atheist?


  5. I suppose most of us are pragmatists then? I like to entertain the other ideas people came up with, like the Theory of Forms and Immaterialism, but I don't actually put much stock in them. Whether their ideas are real or not is irrelevant, even if we are living in a world that doesn't exist on a physical plane.

    FQ: Did Hume consider himself to be an atheist?
    DQ: Does Hume's perspective regarding the maker in anyway influence your own perspectives, especially of religion?

    LINK: (Introduction of David Hume) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6SYJpPNty8

  6. AP - I guess from reading that America is only a big place full of corruptive persuasion even in the church.

    DQ: Is America corrupted by all the TV's, Commercials, Advertising, Magazines, Churches, and many other propagandas?

  7. Zachary VanDusen2:11 PM CDT

    FQ: The belief that there must be a God to create the complex world and organisms we live in is known as the _______. Design Argument

    FQ: Who believed the Design Argument was based on bad logic? David Hume

    FQ: David Hume felt strongly about the Argument of _________, which he disagreed with, especially if the _______ was told from the eyes of a spectator. Miracle; miracle.

    FQ: On his death bed, David Hume said that he should not worry about his afterlife because he didn't worry about the time before his life, which is an answer that an earlier philosopher ________ would have said. Epicurus.

    FQ: Who stated ' Man was born free, and everywhere he is in chains' ? Jean-Jacques Rousseau

    FQ: Rousseau felt that _______ were naturally good, and were corrupted by civilization. humans.

    FQ: What is General Will and which philosopher built the ground work for his philosophy on this? The general will is to do whatever is best for the whole community in order to live freely within a society. Famed by Rousseau

  8. Link: http://www.uwplatt.edu/~drefcins/humeencyclopediaentry.html

    DQ: do you agree with the viewpoint's of Hume and Epicurus on after life/before life?

    FQ: T/F Hume was an Empiricist? -True