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Wednesday, February 5, 2020

What a state we're in



The New York Times (@nytimes)
We fact-checked President Trump's State of the Union address.

This is false: "We will always protect patients with pre-existing conditions." nyti.ms/2Sch3Qo pic.twitter.com/1pSvMtSxwV

by Robert Talisse
When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tore up the text of President Donald Drumpf’s State of the Union speech in full public view, her supporters saw defiance of both his policies and his earlier refusal to shake her hand. But her political opponents cried foul, calling it “unbecoming” and “nasty.” This is yet another example of why U.S. citizens of all political stripes agree that politics has become unacceptably uncivil.
People say they want everyone to have cool heads and polite exchanges of views, even during important political debates. Some may even want a return to a kinder, gentler time when Democrats and Republicans ate breakfast together at the same table in the Senate cafeteria.
That’s not realistic, in my view. It is a good idea to stay calm when dealing with other people. But it may be that civility is too demanding, asking too much of passionate human nature. As I argue in my new book, “Overdoing Democracy,” a better idea of civility involves not the total absence of hostility or escalation, but avoiding those extremes unless truly necessary.
The problem Pelosi encountered lies in differing views of when an impassioned act is considered appropriate and when it is an example of incivility. People are prone to see, and complain about, incivility in their political opponents, while being blind to, and silent about, the same flaws in themselves and those like them. And once they spot an opponent being uncivil, they free themselves to retaliate in kind... (continues)



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13 comments:

  1. Granville6:12 PM CST

    I think she tore the papers up simply to send a message. She wants to stir the pot even more, and it doesn't help when Trump likes to do the exact same thing (stir the pot that is). It seems like we just need a reset button to try and get everyone so unbiased and remind everyone we're fighting the same cause.

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  2. Jordan Butler6:43 PM CST

    Section 5:

    I don't like Trump as much as the next person, but I'm also not into politics like that. We all know how unprofessional the man is, but I don't think stooping down to his level makes the situation any better. I almost feel as though they forget they represent what and who we are as a country. We're a joke and have been for quite a long time now.

    There is a time and place to express personal feelings and doing that on live TV with millions of viewers was NOT it.

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    1. John Lasseter12:48 PM CST

      That's the thing, to the rest of us that's pretty much being on Trumps side. Somehow you think that tearing up a paper in a symbolic act is at the same level as making fun of disabled reporters, locking kids in cages or forcing the secret service to continually stay at properties he owns?

      I just can't fathom the idea that the video we are commenting on and this 22 second long video are even close: https://www.politico.com/video/2017/01/donald-trump-mocks-disabled-reporter-061897

      Both were in front of massive crowds. Sometimes, you have to make a point - and that's what Pelosi did.

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  3. Edwin Garcia8:34 PM CST

    I wasn't one to follow politics, but when I was deployed I saw first hand the strong effect politics have in our country. We (our country)is NOT taken as a joke, our military is taken seriously and also our country. I do not agree with the way the leaders of our country is behaving. What I find saddening is that while they are bickering as kids, going back and forth, we have poverty, human trafficking, and other worst things happening. I wonder if the United States is even united.

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  4. Phil5:14 AM CST

    Yes, we've been brought to stooping and bickering to a childish level. It's why I'll support "Any functioning adult 2020"... if we can find one.

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  5. Matt Rigney9:55 AM CST

    I think this was the moment when she realized the impeachment trial would not swing in her favor. Currently, the world is looking at the US as a very politically confused state. Instead of reason and logic, politicians are relying one deception and lies.

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  6. Maksym Ustynov11:21 AM CST

    The downside is everyone has a different opinion of what is acceptable and what is not. When it comes to politics everyone has a very skewed opinion on this matter and become hypocrites.
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  7. Zach Cannon11:47 AM CST

    I’m not too much into politics (even though I admit I probably should be as it might be slightly important), but I’ve thought that ever since I could understand things, it just seems like republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin. Instead of doing things for the well being of the citizens, each party just says things to disagree with the other out of spite, and never truly tell the full story to actually inform people of the truth. Or at least that’s what it seems like as a bystander merely observing

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  8. Daniel Fisher11:53 AM CST

    Section 6

    Both main stream parities that they are the only force of good in political arena. This leads to the mindset of "anything the other guys propose is evil." Then to justify this, insults along the lines of, "You hate America" or "You're racist for no supporting what we want." Now, I'm not saying that there aren't racist people in government or that there aren't people that have other motives that just the improvement of America, I am saying that labeling everyone, or at least a large portion of, a political party in this way is extremely detrimental and just divides us even more. These horrible insults are just used to paint the other party as the "evil" one.

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  9. Sydney Schettler12:01 PM CST

    Last election has led me to believe that anyone who perseveres in politics should pursue education in that field before running for candidacy. A country shouldn't be run as a business. The knowledge in this field that education would provide will hopefully provide a more "functioning adult."
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  10. Jaylen Bass2:42 PM CST

    There is not much I have to say about this because I feel like we comment on a lot of sensitive subjects that has nothing to do with us. Of course I do not want anyone to have to deal with cancer, but when you make fun of something like that Karma is real..

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  11. Muad Saeed5:11 PM CST

    With regards to the video of Nancy Pelosi tearing up Trump's speech. She accomplished what she wanted and that was to take the attention away from Trump's lies which weren't worth more than the paper they were written on. section 11

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  12. Mary Anderson6:44 AM CST

    I feel as if politics in the US has divided our country than I ever thought imaginable. Both parties could have a good idea, but if you are not in that party, it is an automatic pass on it. America has become more and more ignorant in politics than ever before. Thinking and speaking rhetorically is non-existent in our politics today.
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