#SundayMorning Opinion— CBS Sunday Morning 🌞 (@CBSSunday) February 16, 2020
Time magazine correspondent @CharlotteAlter on young voters' support of "socialism" https://t.co/YdcZ6151Pe pic.twitter.com/avcvJXbX3p
#SundayMorning Opinion— CBS Sunday Morning 🌞 (@CBSSunday) February 16, 2020
Time magazine correspondent @CharlotteAlter on young voters' support of "socialism" https://t.co/YdcZ6151Pe pic.twitter.com/avcvJXbX3p
I agree. At least Bernie and Warren are voicing the concerns that we have. They're not turning a blind eye and trying to spread fear. I had to take a few years off of college because I refuse to take out loans that I will never be able to pay back. Paying out of pocket has been the hardest thing I have done, but if it eliminates future debt for myself, then I'll continue to do it.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I do not like talking about politics openly, I really do believe in Sanders. If he got elected as president, it will be interesting to see how he actually plays out his legislation he plans to enact. I believe the U. S needs change, and some of our current policies do not benefit the working class barely, if at all. Sanders appeal to young voters because we want change. Anyone who is scared of "socialism " should look at some of Sanders policies and see that we need a lot of them, and it will most likely better our future.
ReplyDeleteThis new political philosophy is being dictated from many peoples thoughts on just working hard for what you deserve. Of course everyone wants to be wealthy, but it must come with some sacrifice and persistence. We tend to think that everything should be handed to us which is something a lot of modern day politicians are realizing. I respect any politician who has the greater good of the people at the forefront of their campaign, but we as people need to be tougher and not give in to handouts.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to say, but usually that line of thought leads to a "Handouts for me, not for thee" reality like we live in. For example, the current Republican party has no problem cutting welfare, but they do a really good job of not messing with retirement social security or medicare - their demographics, the elderly, already have the socialism and the handouts they say are making everyone else lazy. Bernies Universal healthcare = bad; Yang's basic income = evil; Medicare = god given right; social security retirement = same (Leans a touch strawmanny, sorry)
DeleteJust to make sure we're on the same page logically - the young continue to pay social security taxes to give them handouts in a program that has a rising chance of not existing by the time we are eligible!
Except I'm not mad I have to pay it, assuming they stop using the funds for other things. It was sufficient at one point, and could be again. It wasn't magic in the 70's.
It's not a handout. It's not free. In most cases we already paid for it, like SS or healthcare (Tangential but easier example). It's not like bernies universal healthcare would make you continue to pay $300/month to Geico, you'd be taxed for $150 instead and save 150 (Gov doesn't need superbowl commercials or CEO buyouts, leads to discounts)
This Sunday Morning report did a fantastic job of laying out the differences in generational attitudes on the topic of socialism. It's true that many of us millennials and Gen Z Americans have reached adulthood with a crippling fear for how we'll navigate a system with less job opportunity, immense class disparity and debilitating student debt. For me and many others my age, progressive politicians like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez speak directly to our fears and show that through responsible social programs, we can be safe to chase our professional dreams and live with as much hope as our parents when they were our age. For his time, FDR's Social Security Act was an incredibly radical concept, but its shown itself to be a time tested piece of American culture and FDR is now considered one of our greatest leaders.
ReplyDeleteTo me, Sanders' campaign slogan shows so simply why he's unlike anyone else in the narrowing field of presidential candidates: "Not me. Us." He's beholden to the people, not special interest groups. Therefore, we can be assured that he'll have the people on the front of his mind if he takes the nation's highest office.
The socialism argument is a dogwhistle of sorts, politically. An incredibly effective one due to the latent PTSD from the cold war.
ReplyDeleteWe already pay for most of this. Federal spending would increase, yes, but the personal premiums would disappear. If you pay $200 a month now for healthcare for your family, Bernies plan is not to make you continue to pay them and also have your taxes go up, but instead you stop paying them and pay more taxes instead.
Bernies plan is projected to cost ~ 32 trillion over 10 years. However, we currently spend ~50 Trillion privately over a 10 year period, although those two numbers aren't perfect and talk about slightly offset years, but they are close.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/18/sanderss-apples-and-oranges-comparison-medicare-for-all-costs/
To elaborate a little more, Cigna (A large US insurance company) posted a 2019 Q1 profit of 1.3 Billion. Extrapoloating to a year and assuming there are no huge variations, that's ~ 5 Billion in PROFIT a year.
Deletehttps://www.cigna.com/newsroom/news-releases/2019/cigna-delivers-strong-first-quarter-2019-results-raises-outlook
That money comes from you, what you pay them monthly. Yeah, they make money off of investments but a lot of that original investment came from the same place, and the amount of profit the business generates drives the stock price up and allows for more funding via dilution & other means. So either way, a significant portion of their profits must come from people.
They only gain money (Profit) if they take more than they spend. And that's after the 10 million a year to the CEO, the millions/minute on ads, lobbying costs, etc. That's 5 billion a year they skim off of the public, and then tell you your teeth are optional luxury bones.
A government single payer doens't need to pay a CEO 10 million a year. They don't need an advertising department to work with Tide on secret Tide ads. And the best part is government books are open, unlike Cigna. You might actually be able to see what the true cost of your healthcare is!
They don't give MRI's away for free in Europe, but it's not $500.
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DeleteFor full disclosure, honestly the WPo source partially disagrees with what I said. However their argument is more "Bernies plan will cost more than he says, its more like 40-50 trillion too" and not "The 50 trillion private figure is wrong", so I stand by it.
DeleteEither way, it's not a handout and to go from spending what we do now where most of us pay to avoid going to the doctors to spending more where everyone can go and not worry about bankruptcy, or having the nerve to have a child with Diabetes.
I think there is still some lingering fear of socialism coming from the older generation. Yes, there are pitfalls implicit in socialism, but that is true of all forms of government. I think the younger generation is ready for a more balanced power dynamic, but I think we should be informed about what we may be getting ourselves into. #11
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