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Tuesday, January 27, 2015

Section H1 Group 3 1/27

Our group discussed how being with other people impact how we think. We believed that it depends on who you are with and what they believe, and that open minded-ness is key. However, we also said that you should make sure you don't lose your own personal philosophy/change to please others. Pros of philosophizing with others are that it opens your mind and can be productive to thinking. Cons are that other people can sometimes be a distraction to your own thoughts, and that thinking alone allows for refinement of ideas. In society today, we believe certain things, like that the internet and certain news channels make it easier to find extremes in beliefs (cyberbalkanization). We also believe that many people have stopped debating ideas and it has turned more to fighting and trying to prove yourself right--there is a mind set of "You can't be wrong", like it is shameful to reform yourself. Sometimes only people with the strongest beliefs speak out.


  1. I think group thought may be very beneficial but maybe only after you have some knowledge and individual thoughts first. Arguing about a point with very little knowledge about the subject can easily result in personal attacks. However if you are trying to develop thoughts that no one in the group has discussed then this is less likely.

  2. DQ Socrates was kind of annoying he contradicted everything people said. Do you think you would have liked him? Do you like people like that now?

    DQ Do you think you ask more questions now or when you were in High School?

    FQ Who are two of Socrates students?

    FQ Was Socrates married?

  3. Jeffrey LaPorte9:47 AM CST

    In our discussion I think we captured a lot of the problems that are developing in formal and informal debate in the information age. Personally if I have an argument and come out of it with none of my opinions questioned or altered then I consider it a waste of time and breath but increasingly changing ones opinion is scene as weak, and we believe that you should debate to win not to learn. When politicians change there minds we mock them and say they are flip floppers, scientists have set out to prove their theory right rather then wrong resulting in skewed data, and when normal people change their views we see them as the loser of an argument when in reality it is we who have lost because we learned nothing.

  4. Rebecca Clippard10:08 AM CST

    From my own experience, I find that group discussions often subtly change the ideas. But this is natural since different people have unique experiences and thoughts. I think of group discussions sort of like a mathematical average. If you have members on both ends of the spectrum, some sort of compromise should be reached. Or more neutral people will give their opinions and that will be a third perspective that might not be so passionate. The trick is, and this is especially difficult for our culture, not to dissolve into argument.

  5. Jeffrey LaPorte10:38 AM CST

    FQ: was Socrates an attractive man?
    FQ: What were the tutors of the rich sons of Athens called?
    DQ: do you think we still kill Socrates' today? silencing those that question us and make us uncomfortable?

  6. DQ: Which kind of love mentioned in the text do you feel is the most fulfilling?

  7. I liked what our group was discussing about the value of both solitary and group philosophical thinking. One exposes you to the ideas of others while the other allows you to reject, refine, or accept those ideas into your own personal.

  8. For me at least, when discussing the philosophies of others, I prefer to mostly listen, and think about what the others are saying. I try to be open to differing ideas, and try to listen to everyone's ideas, and then later I can apply what the ideas that I took to my personal philosophy. As Rebecca said, normally the changes to my personal philosophy that occur are very subtle if they happen at all as result of the group discussion. However, even if my own personal philosophies do not change, I normally feel much more informed about the views of others after this type of discussion, and that is why I for one value group discussions.