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Friday, March 17, 2017

Quizzes March 21, 23

T 21 - Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages, DR 14 (390-425); LH 6-8. 

1. What religion did Augustine espouse before his conversion to Christianity, and how did it account for evil?

2. To what did Augustine return, that most of the first philosophers had rejected?

3. What form does Boethius's Consolation of Philosophy take, what does it never explicitly mention, and how does it account for the compatibility of real choice with the existence of an omniscient deity?

4. How did Anselm define God, and what is his famous "proof" called?

5. Who was Heloise's boyfriend, what was his greatest misfortune, and how did he go beyond established traditions?

6. Who wrote Guide for the Perplexed? What did he try to do in it?

7. Who had a "razor," and what was it for?

8. Who declared that there are other worlds, and was burned at the stake?

(LH)
9. What did Augustine famously pray for?

10. Whose First Cause Argument, echoing Aristotle, said a never-ending series of causes and effects would lead to an unacceptable what?



DQ

  • Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?
  • Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence? 
  • COMMENT: “The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.”
  • COMMENT: “Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”  Carl Sagan
  • If you were falsely imprisoned, tortured, and scheduled for execution, would you be able to achieve "consolation"? How?
  • Can the definition of a word prove anything about the world?
  • Is theoretical simplicity always better, even if the universe is complex?
  • Does the possibility of other worlds somehow diminish humanity? 
  • How does the definition of God as omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good make it harder to account for evil and suffering in the world? Would it be better to believe in a lesser god, or no god at all?
  • Can you explain the concept of Original Sin? Do you think you understand it?



Th 23 - The Renaissance, DR 15, LH 9-10

1. What effect did the new Renaissance humanist movement have on philosophy?

2. What did Vespucci mean when he said New Worlders were more Epicurean than Stoic?

3. What "prophet of modern science" nonetheless wanted to "build on astrology, alchemy, and magic"? Why?

4. What 15th century "remarkable development" gave rise to mass literacy?

5. What did Luther refuse to accept? What was the essence of Protestantism?

6. Whose cousin first mentioned "scientific method" and said it could support only "limited claims about the appearances"? 

7. Who "revamped Epicurus' picture of the universe" to make it more Bible-friendly? How?

8. With what metaphor did Descartes propose to support the new scientific worldview of Galileo?

LH
9. What did Machiavelli say a leader needs to have?

10. Life outside society would be what, according to Hobbes?


DQ

  • Is there a sharp difference between writing well and thinking logically? Why do you think so many scholastic/medieval philosophers were poor writers? How can you become a better writer and clearer thinker?
  • Was Machiavelli right, about how power works in the real world?
  • If European explorers like Vespucci understood that European knowledge was at best incomplete, at worst just wrong, why were so many of them still so confident that the natives they encountered in the New World were sub-human? Why in general are humans still so quick to denigrate those who are different, or who have different customs?
  • Is there any proper place for astrology and magic in the modern world?
  • COMMENT: 'The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read." -Mark Twain. 
  • It's been estimated that the average social media user could read 200 books in the time they spend online. What would they gain? What would they lose? What's the right balance?
  • Do you trust your own conscience and experience more than that of religious leaders like the Pope? Why? 441
  • Does knowledge need foundations? Why or why not?
  • Can you agree with Machiavelli about leadership without being a sexist or an autocrat?
  • Are people fundamentally selfish, in your experience? Are you? Can selfish people change?

from Russell's History-

...Saint Augustine taught that Adam, before the Fall, had had free will, and could have abstained from sin. But as he and Eve ate the apple, corruption entered into them, and descended to all their posterity, none of whom can, of their own power, abstain from sin. Only God's grace enables men to be virtuous. Since we all inherit Adam's sin, we all deserve eternal damnation. All who die unbaptized, even infants, will go to hell and suffer unending torment. We have no reason to complain of this, since we are all wicked. (In the Confessions, the Saint enumerates the crimes of which he was guilty in the cradle.) But by God's free grace certain people, among those who have been baptized, are chosen to go to heaven; these are the elect. They do not go to heaven because they are good; we are all totally depraved, except in so far as God's grace, which is only bestowed on the elect, enables us to be otherwise. No reason can be given why some are saved and the rest damned; this is due to God's unmotived choice. Damnation proves God's justice; salvation His mercy. Both equally display His goodness. The arguments in favour of this ferocious doctrine--which was revived by Calvin, and has since then not been held by the Catholic Church--are to be found in the writings of Saint Paul, particularly the Epistle to the Romans. These are treated by Augustine as a lawyer treats the law: the interpretation is able, and the texts are made to yield their utmost meaning. One is persuaded, at the end, not that Saint Paul believed what Augustine deduces, but that, taking certain texts in isolation, they do imply just what he says they do. It may seem odd that the damnation of unbaptized infants should not have been thought shocking, but should have been attributed to a good God. The conviction of sin, however, so dominated him that he really believed new-born children to be limbs of Satan. A great deal of what is most ferocious in the medieval Church is traceable to his gloomy sense of universal guilt. There is only one intellectual difficulty that really troubles Saint Augustine. This is not that it seems a pity to have created Man, since the immense majority of the human race are predestined to eternal torment. What troubles him is that, if original sin is inherited from Adam, as Saint Paul teaches, the soul, as well as the body, must be -365- propagated by the parents, for sin is of the soul, not the body. He sees difficulties in this doctrine, but says that, since Scripture is silent, it cannot be necessary to salvation to arrive at a just view on the matter. He therefore leaves it undecided. It is strange that the last men of intellectual eminence before the dark ages were concerned, not with saving civilization or expelling the barbarians or reforming the abuses of the administration, but with preaching the merit of virginity and the damnation of unbaptized infants. Seeing that these were the preoccupations that the Church handed on to the converted barbarians, it is no wonder that the succeeding age surpassed almost all other fully historical periods in cruelty and superstition...
...Boethius is a singular figure. Throughout the Middle Ages he was read and admired, regarded always as a devout Christian, and treated almost as if he had been one of the Fathers. Yet his Consolations of Philosophy, written in 524 while he was awaiting execution, is purely Platonic; it does not prove that he was not a Christian, but it does show that pagan philosophy had a much stronger hold on him then Christian theology. Some theological works, especially one on the Trinity, which are attributed to him, are by many authorities considered to be spurious; but it was probably owing to them that the Middle Ages were able to regard him as orthodox, and to imbibe from him much Platonism which would otherwise have been viewed with suspicion. The work is an alternation of verse and prose: Boethius, in his own person, speaks in prose, while Philosophy answers in verse. There is at certain resemblance to Dante, who was no doubt influenced by him in the Vita Nuova. The Consolations, which Gibbon rightly calls a "golden volume," begins by the statement that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are the true philosophers; Stoics, Epicureans, and the rest are usurpers, whom the profane multitude mistook for the friends of philosophy. Boethius says he obeyed the Pythagorean command to "follow God" (not the Christian command). Happiness, which is the same thing as blessedness, is the good, not pleasure. Friendship is a "most sacred thing." There is much morality that agrees closely with Stoic doctrine, and is in fact largely taken from Seneca. There is a summary, in verse, of the beginning of the Timaeus. This is followed by a great deal of purely Platonic metaphysics. Imperfection, we are told, is a lack, implying the existence of a perfect pattern. He adopts the privative theory of evil. He then passes on to a pantheism which should have shocked Christians, but for some reason did not. Blessedness and God, he says, are both the chiefest good, and are therefore identical. "Men are made happy by the obtaining of divinity." "They who obtain divinity become gods. Wherefore every one that is happy -370- is a god, but by nature there is only one God, but there may be many by participation." "The sum, origin, and cause of all that is sought after is rightly thought to be goodness." "The substance of God consisteth in nothing else but in goodness." Can God do evil? No. Therefore evil is nothing, since God can do everything. Virtuous men are always powerful, and bad men always weak; for both desire the good, but only the virtuous get it. The wicked are more unfortunate if they escape punishment than if they suffer it. (Note that this could not be said of punishment in hell.) "In wise men there is no place for hatred." The tone of the book is more like that of Plato than that of Plotinus. There is no trace of the superstition or morbidness of the age, no obsession with sin, no excessive straining after the unattainable. There is perfect philosophic calm--so much that, if the book had been written in prosperity, it might almost have been called smug. Written when it was, in prison under sentence of death, it is as admirable as the last moments of the Platonic Socrates. One does not find a similar outlook until after Newton. I will quote in extenso one poem from the book, which, in its philosophy, is not unlike Pope Essay on Man. If Thou wouldst see God's laws with purest mind, Thy sight on heaven must fixed be, Whose settled course the stars in peace doth bind. The sun's bright fire Stops not his sister's team, Nor doth the northern bear desire Within the ocean's wave to hide her beam. Though she behold The other stars there couching, Yet she incessantly is rolled About high heaven, the ocean never touching. The evening light With certain course doth show The coming of the shady night, And Lucifer before the day doth go. This mutual love Courses eternal makes, -371- And from the starry spheres above All cause of war and dangerous discord takes. This sweet consent In equal bands doth tie The nature of each element So that the moist things yield unto the dry. The piercing cold With flames doth friendship heap The trembling fire the highest place doth hold, And the gross earth sinks down into the deep. The flowery year Breathes odours in the spring, The scorching summer corn doth bear The autumn fruit from laden trees doth bring. The falling rain Doth winter's moisture give. These rules thus nourish and maintain All creatures which we see on earth to live. And when they die, These bring them to their end, While their Creator sits on high, Whose hand the reins of the whole world doth bend. He as their king Rules them with lordly might. From Him they rise, flourish, and spring, He as their law and judge decides their right. Those things whose course Most swiftly glides away His might doth often backward force, And suddenly their wandering motion stay. Unless his strength Their violence should bound, And them which else would run at length, Should bring within the compass of a round, That firm decree Which now doth all adorn Would soon destroyed and broken be, Things being far from their beginning borne. This powerful love Is common unto all. -372- Which for desire of good do move Back to the springs from whence they first did fall. No worldly thing Can a continuance have Unless love back again it bring Unto the cause which first the essence gave. Boethius was, until the end, a friend of Theodoric. His father was consul, he was consul, and so were his two sons. His father-in-law Symmachus (probably grandson of the one who had a controversy with Ambrose about the statue of Victory) was an important man in the court of the Gothic king. Theodoric employed Boethius to reform the coinage, and to astonish less sophisticated barbarian kings with such devices as sun-dials and water-clocks. It may be that his freedom from superstition was not so exceptional in Roman aristocratic families as elsewhere; but its combination with great learning and zeal for the public good was unique in that age. During the two centuries before his time and the ten centuries after it, I cannot think of any European man of learning so free from superstition and fanaticism. Nor are his merits merely negative; his survey is lofty, disinterested, and sublime. He would have been remarkable in any age; in the age in which he lived, he is utterly amazing. The medieval reputation of Boethius was partly due to his being regarded as a martyr to Arian persecution--a view which began two or three hundred years after his death. In Pavia, he was regarded as a saint, but in fact he was not canonized. Though Cyril was a saint, Boethius was not. Two years after the execution of Boethius, Theodoric died. In the next year, Justinian became Emperor. He reigned until 565, and in this long time managed to do much harm and some good. He is of course chiefly famous for his Digest. But I shall not venture on this topic, which is one for the lawyers. He was a man of deep piety, which he signalized, two years after his accession, by closing the schools of philosophy in Athens, where paganism still reigned. The dispossessed philosophers betook themselves to Persia, where the king received them kindly. But they were shocked--more so, says Gibbon, than became philosophers--by the Persian practices of polygamy and incest, so they returned home again, and faded into obscurity...
...Saint Anselm was, like Lanfranc, an Italian, a monk at Bec, and archbishop of Canterbury ( 1093- 1109), in which capacity he followed the principles of Gregory VII and quarrelled with the king. He is chiefly known to fame as the inventor of the "ontological argument" for the existence of God. As he put it, the argument is as follows: We define "God" as the greatest possible object of thought. Now if an object of thought does not exist, another, exactly like it, which does exist, is greater. Therefore the greatest of all objects of thought must exist, since, otherwise, another, still greater, would be possible. Therefore God exists. This argument has never been accepted by theologians. It was adversely criticized at the time; then it was forgotten till the latter half of the thirteenth century. Thomas Aquinas rejected it, and among theologians his authority has prevailed ever since. But among philosophers it has had a better fate. Descartes revived it in a somewhat amended form; Leibniz thought that it could be made valid by the addition of a supplement to prove that God is possible. Kant considered that he had demolished it once for all. Nevertheless, in some sense, it underlies the system of Hegel and his followers, and reappears in Bradley's principle: "What may be and must be, is." Clearly an argument with such a distinguished history is to be treated with respect, whether valid or not. The real question is: Is there anything we can think of which, by the mere fact that we can think of it, is shown to exist outside our thought? Every philosopher would like to say yes, because a philosopher's job is to find out things about the world by thinking rather than observing. If yes is the right answer, there is a bridge from pure thought to things; if not, not. In this generalized form, Plato uses a kind of ontological argument to prove the objective reality of ideas. But no one before Anselm had -417- stated the argument in its naked logical purity. In gaining purity, it loses plausibility; but this also is to Anselm's credit. For the rest, Anselm's philosophy is mainly derived from Saint Augustine, from whom it acquires many Platonic elements. He believes in Platonic ideas, from which he derives another proof of the existence of God. By Neoplatonic arguments he professes to prove not only God, but the Trinity. (It will be remembered that Plotinus has a Trinity, though not one that a Christian can accept as orthodox.) Anselm considers reason subordinate to faith. "I believe in order to understand," he says; following Augustine, he holds that without belief it is impossible to understand. God, he says, is not just, but justice. It will be remembered that John the Scot says similar things. The common origin is in Plato. Saint Anselm, like his predecessors in Christian philosophy, is in the Platonic rather than the Aristotelian tradition. For this reason, he has not the distinctive characteristics of the philosophy which is called "scholastic," which culminated in Thomas Aquinas. This kind of philosophy may be reckoned as beginning with Roscelin, who was Anselm's contemporary, being seventeen years younger than Anselm. Roscelin marks a new beginning, and will be considered in the next chapter. When it is said that medieval philosophy, until the thirteenth century, was mainly Platonic, it must be remembered that Plato, except for a fragment of the Timaeus, was known only at second or third hand. John the Scot, for example, could not have held the views which he did hold but for Plato, but most of what is Platonic in him comes from the pseudo-Dionysius. The date of this author is uncertain, but it seems probable that he was a disciple of Proclus the Neoplatonist. It is probable, also, that John the Scot had never heard of Proclus or read a line of Plotinus. Apart from the pseudo-Dionysius, the other source of Platonism in the Middle Ages was Boethius. This Platonism was in many ways different from that which a modern student derives from Plato's own writings. It omitted almost everything that had no obvious bearing on religion, and in religious philosophy it enlarged and emphasized certain aspects at the expense of others. This change in the conception of Plato had already been effected by Plotinus. The knowledge of Aristotle was also fragmentary, but in an opposite direction: all that was known of him until the twelfth -418- century was Boethius translation of the Categories and De Emendatione. Thus Aristotle was conceived as a mere dialectician, and Plato as only a religious philosopher and the author of the theory of ideas. During the course of the later Middle Ages, both these partial conceptions were gradually emended, especially the conception of Aristotle. But the process, as regards Plato, was not completed until the Renaissance...

An old post-
1. What did young Augustine pray for?

2. What did Augustine believe about God, during his Manichaean period?

3. How did Augustine differ from Plato and Aristotle regarding time and creation?  

4. What does Russell find odd about Augustine's preoccupations, on the eve of the dark ages?
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5. Platonic philosophy had a greater hold on Boethius than what?

6. What obsession did Boethius not share with Augustine?
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PW
7. It's impossible to be what, according to Gros, when walking?

8. What turns everything into nonsenese?

DQ

  • Do you agree with Russell that Augustine's extreme sense of sin made him and his philosophy stern and inhuman? 345
  • Do sin and moral evil adquately explain "how a beneficent Deity can cause men to suffer"? 346
  • How does free will explain suffering due to natural phenomena like earthquakes, hurricanes, and disease?
  • Do you agree that "even infants... are full of sin"? 347
  • What do you think of Manicheanism?
  • Does it solve the mystery of existence to say that time and space were created when the world was created, that God "preceded" both, and that there was no "sooner"? 353
  • Why do you think Boethius, a Christian, called his book Consolation of Philosophy(not Theology)?
  • Why should Boethius' pantheism have shocked Christians? 370
  • Do you enjoy solitude and alone-time? Or do you hate being by yourself?
  • Do you ever converse with yourself? Is it a dialogue between body and soul, between different aspects of your self, or what?
  • Do you enjoy silence, or must you fill every moment with chatter, music, background noise, etc.? Do you ever try to just be, wordlessly, without internal narration or commentary?
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Augustine (LH); WATCH:Augustine (SoL); LISTEN:Neuroscience & free will (HI)

podcast... dawn post: Choosing free will

1. (T/F) Augustine was a chaste and pious youth, converting to Christianity while still a boy.

2. Augustine's early "Manicheaean" solution to the problem of suffering was to claim what about God?

3. Augustine's later solutions were the Free Will Defense and what?




4. Like Maimonides and Avicenna, Augustine represents what tendency of religious medieval thinkers between the fifth and fifteenth centuries?

5. What's the difference between "natural" and "moral" evil? Give an example of each.

6. Augustine thought that if God had programmed humans always to be good, we'd be like what?

BONUS: Which cartoon character says free will is an illusion?

BONUS: What recent controversialist said "good" means supportive of human well-being and flourishing?



DQ:

1. Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?

2. Does the concept of a never-ending struggle between good and evil appeal to you? Does it make sense, in the light of whatever else you believe? Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty?

3. Do you find the concept of Original Sin compelling, difficult, unfair, or dubious? In general, do we "inherit the sins of our fathers (and mothers)"? If yes, give examples and explain.



4. Should religious traditions attempt to combine with, or assimilate themselves to, philosophical traditions? What do religion and philosophy generally have in common, and in what ways are they different?

5. Does the free will defense work, even to the extent of explaining "moral" evil? Is there in fact a logical contradiction between the concept of free will and an omniscient deity? Why or why not?


6. Would we be better off without a belief in free will? 







Strange Gods

Excerpt:
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AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO (354–430)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
—Paul, Colossians 2:8

AUGUSTINE, a teenager studying in Carthage in the 370s, begins to ponder what he will one day consider the inevitable shortcomings of human philosophy ungrounded in the word of God. This process begins, as Augustine will later recount in his Confessions, when he reads Cicero’sHortensius, written around 45 b.c.e. The young scholar, unacquainted with either Jewish or Christian Scripture, takes away the (surely unintended) lesson from the pagan Cicero that only faith—a faith that places the supernatural above the natural—can satisfy the longing for wisdom.

“But, O Light of my heart,” Augustine wrote to his god in Confessions (c. 397), “you know that at that time, although Paul’s words were not known to me, the only thing that pleased me in Cicero’s book was his advice not simply to admire one or another of the schools of philosophy, but to love wisdom itself, whatever it might be. . . . These were the words which excited me and set me burning with fire, and the only check to this blaze of enthusiasm was that they made no mention of the name of Christ.”

The only check? To me, this passage from Confessions has always sounded like the many rewritings of personal history intended to conform the past to the author’s current beliefs and status in life—which in Augustine’s case meant being an influential bishop of an ascendant church that would tolerate no dissent grounded in other religious or secular philosophies. By the time he writes Confessions, Augustine seems a trifle embarrassed about having been so impressed, as a young man, by a pagan writer. So he finds a way to absolve himself of the sin of attraction to small-“c” catholic, often secular intellectual interests by limiting Cicero to his assigned role as one step in a fourth-century boy’s journey toward capital-“C” Catholicism. It is the adult Augustine who must reconcile his enthusiasm for Cicero with the absence of the name of Christ; there is no reason why this should have bothered the pagan adolescent Augustine at all. Nevertheless, no passage in the writings of the fathers of the church, or in any personal accounts of the intellectual and emotional process of conversion, explains more lucidly (albeit indirectly) why the triumph of Christianity inevitably begins with that other seeker on the road to Damascus. It is Paul, after all, not Jesus or the authors of the Gospels, who merits a mention in Augustine’s explanation of how his journey toward the one true faith was set in motion by a pagan.

It is impossible to consider Augustine, the second most important convert in the theological firmament of the early Christian era, without giving Paul his due. But let us leave Saul—he was still Saul then—as he awakes from a blow on his head to hear a voice from the heavens calling him to rebirth in Christ. Saul did not have any established new religion to convert to, but Augustine was converting to a faith with financial and political influence, as well as a spiritual message for the inhabitants of a decaying empire. Augustine’s journey from paganism to Christianity was a philosophical and spiritual struggle lasting many years, but it also exemplified the many worldly, secular influences on conversion in his and every subsequent era. These include mixed marriages; political instability that creates the perception and the reality of personal insecurity; and economic conditions that provide a space for new kinds of fortunes and the possibility of financial support for new religious institutions.

Augustine told us all about his struggle, within its social context, in Confessions—which turned out to be a best-seller for the ages. This was a new sort of book, even if it was a highly selective recounting of experience (like all memoirs) rather than a “tell-all” autobiography in the modern sense. Its enduring appeal, after a long break during the Middle Ages, lies not in its literary polish, intellectuality, or prayerfulness—though the memoir is infused with these qualities—but in its preoccupation with the individual’s relationship to and responsibility for sin and evil. As much as Augustine’s explorations constitute an individual journey—and have been received as such by generations of readers—the journey unfolds in an upwardly mobile, religiously divided family that was representative of many other people finding and shaping new ways to make a living; new forms of secular education; and new institutions of worship in a crumbling Roman civilization.

After a lengthy quest venturing into regions as wild as those of any modern religious cults, Augustine told the story of his spiritual odyssey when he was in his forties. His subsequent works, including The City of God, are among the theological pillars of Christianity, butConfes­sions is the only one of his books read widely by anyone but theologically minded intellectuals (or intellectual theologians). In the fourth and early fifth centuries, Christian intellectuals with both a pagan and a religious education, like the friends and mentors Augustine discusses in the book, provided the first audience for Confessions. That audience would probably not have existed a century earlier, because literacy—a secular prerequisite for a serious education in both paganism and Christianity—had expanded among members of the empire’s bourgeois class by the time Augustine was born. The Christian intellectuals who became Augustine’s first audience may have been more interested than modern readers in the theological framework of the autobiography (though they, too, must have been curious about the distinguished bishop’s sex life). ButConfessions has also been read avidly, since the Renaissance, by successive generations of humanist scholars (religious and secular); Enlightenment skeptics; nineteenth-century Romantics; psychotherapists; and legions of the prurient, whether religious believers or nonbelievers. Everyone, it seems, loves the tale of a great sinner turned into a great saint.

In my view, Augustine was neither a world-class sinner nor a saint, but his drama of sin and repentance remains a real page-turner. Here & Now==
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Augustine & string theory

Is anyone, from God on down, “pulling our strings”? We’d not be free if they were, would we? If you say we would, what do you mean by “free”? Jesus and Mo have puzzled this one, behind the wheel with with Moses and with "Free Willy." But as usual, the Atheist Barmaid is unpersuaded.

(As I always must say, when referencing this strip: that’s not Jesus of Nazareth, nor is it the Prophet Mohammed, or the sea-parter Moses; and neither I nor Salman Rushdie, the Dutch cartoonists, the anonymous Author, or anyone else commenting on religion in fictional media are blasphemers. We're all just observers exercising our "god-given" right of free speech, which of course extends no further than the end of a fist and the tip of a nose. We'll be celebrating precisely that, and academic freedom, when we line up to take turns reading the Constitution this morning.

No, they’re just a trio of cartoonish guys who often engage in banter relevant to our purposes in CoPhi. It’s just harmless provocation, and fun. But if it makes us think, it’s useful.)

Augustine proposed a division between the “city of god” and the “earthly city” of humanity, thus excluding many of us from his version of the cosmos. “These two cities of the world, which are doomed to coexist intertwined until the Final Judgment, divide the world’s inhabitants.” SEP

And of course he believed in hell, raising the stakes for heaven and the judicious free will he thought necessary to get there even higher. If there's no such thing as free will, though, how can you do "whatever the hell you want"? But, imagine there's no heaven or hell. What then? Some of us think that's when free will becomes most useful to members of a growing, responsible species.

Someone posted the complaint on our class message board that it's not clear what "evil" means, in the context of our Little History discussion of Augustine. But I think this is clear enough: "there is a great deal of suffering in the world," some of it proximally caused by crazy, immoral/amoral, armed and dangerous humans behaving badly, much more of it caused by earthquakes, disease, and other "natural" causes. All of it, on the theistic hypothesis, is part and parcel of divinely-ordered nature.

Whether or not some suffering is ultimately beneficial, character-building, etc., and from whatever causes, "evil" means the suffering that seems gratuitously destructive of innocent lives. Some of us "can't blink the evil out of sight," in William James's words, and thus can't go in for theistic (or other) schemes of "vicarious salvation." We think it's the responsibility of humans to use their free will (or whatever you prefer to call ameliorative volitional action) to reduce the world's evil and suffering. Take a sad song and make it better.

Note the Manichaean strain in Augustine, and the idea that "evil comes from the body." That's straight out of Plato. The world of Form and the world of perfect heavenly salvation thus seem to converge. If you don't think "body" is inherently evil, if in fact you think material existence is pretty cool (especially considering the alternative), this view is probably not for you. Nor if you can't make sense of Original Sin, that most "difficult" contrivance of the theology shop.

"Augustine had felt the hidden corrosive effect of Adam's Fall, like the worm in the apple, firsthand," reminds Arthur Herman. His prayer for personal virtue "but not yet" sounds funny but was a cry of desperation and fear.
Like Aristotle, Augustine believed that the quality of life we lead depends on the choices we make. The tragedy is that left to our own devices - and contrary to Aristotle - most of those choices will be wrong. There can be no true morality without faith and no faith without the presence of God. The Cave and the Light

Bertrand Russell, we know, was not a Christian. But he was a bit of a fan of Augustine the philosopher (as distinct from the theologian), on problems like time.

As for Augustine the theologian and Saint-in-training, Russell's pen drips disdain.
It is strange that the last men of intellectual eminence before the dark ages were concerned, not with saving civilization or expelling the barbarians or reforming the abuses of the administration, but with preaching the merit of virginity and the damnation of unbaptized infants.
Funny, how the preachers of the merit of virginity so often come late - after exhausting their stores of wild oats - to their chaste piety. Not exactly paragons of virtue or character, these Johnnys Come Lately. On the other hand, it's possible to profess a faith you don't understand much too soon. My own early Sunday School advisers pressured and frightened me into "going forward" at age 6, lest I "die before I wake" one night and join the legions of the damned.

That's an allusive segue to today's additional discussion of Aristotelian virtue ethics, in its turn connected with the contradictions inherent in the quest to bend invariably towards Commandments. "Love your neighbor": must that mean, let your neighbor suffer a debilitating terminal illness you could pull the plug on? Or is the "Christian" course, sometimes, to put an end to it?

We also read today of Hume's Law, Moore's Naturalistic Fallacy, the old fact/value debate. Sam Harris is one of the most recent controversialists to weigh in on the issue, arguing that "good" means supportive of human well-being and flourishing, which are in turn based on solid facts. "The answer to the question, 'What should I believe, and why should I believe it?' is generally a scientific one..." Brain Science and Human Values

Also: ethical relativism, meta-ethics, and more. And maybe we'll have time to squeeze in consideration of the perennial good-versus-evil trope. Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty? I think it might be just fine. Worth a try, anyway. Where can I vote for that?
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Boethius (LH); Consolation of Philosophy Bk V (* below); LISTEN: Religious freedom as constraint (HI) and IOT [this is a late addition, not required but strongly recommended]; WATCH: Boethius & Philosophy... dawn post: Boethius... **Anselm & Aquinas (LH); WATCH: Aquinas & 1st Cause (HI) LISTEN:Anthony Kenny on Aquinas' Ethics (PB)....Podcast


1. Who consoles Boethius in his prison cell but also reprimands him for having forgotten her? 

2. What paradox puzzles and perplexes Boethius?

3. Why does "Philosophy" say divine foreknowledge does not rob us of free will?

4. Why did Anselm conclude that God must exist?

5. Why did Aquinas think there couldn't be an infinite regress of causes?

6. Is "Nothing" obviously the best answer to "What caused the cosmos?








DQ

  • How hard would you find it to take consolation from Philosophy, if you were awaiting your execution? Do you think you could become more "mindful" and less fearful, by studying and reflecting philosophically on the vicissitudes and randomness of "fortune"?
  • Comment: "Luck is the residue of design." (Branch Rickey) Can you improve your luck? Why do some succeed and others fail in life? Is it all luck?
  • Is the Christian God similar enough to the Platonic form of the Good that a Platonist should be a Christian, or vice versa? Do both offer the same sort of "consolation"? Would Boethius's "Philosophy" be better named "Theodicy"? What's the difference between philosophical consolation and theological justification?
  • Do you agree that divine foreknowlege and human free will are not mutually contradictory "if you believe that God is all-knowing?"
  • What's your definition of free will? Even if you could not have acted otherwise, in any particular situation, are you still "free" just because you did not know that?
  • Why do you think Boethius wrote Consolation of Philosophy as an imagined dialogue, instead of a soliloquy?
  • Do you think not existing is an imperfection? What, exactly, is made less perfect by its failure to actually exist? Can we think our way to an understanding of what must be real, and what is merely imaginary?
  • Can you infer from a (hypothetically-) necessary First Cause to an omnipotent, omniscient, omni-benevolent God? Can you rule out the possibility that a First Cause might be malevolent or Satanic?
  • Bertrand Russell said he gave up belief in God when he encountered J.S. Mill's Autobiography account of not getting a satisfactory answer to the question "What caused God?" Is that a good question, and a good response?
  • And there was this great question from Zach: "What would you miss most, in solitary confinement?" People, things, things that give you virtual contact with people...?

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"Boethius in his cell imagined his visitor: Philosophy personified as a tall woman wearing a dress with the letters Pi to Theta on it. She berates him for deserting her and the stoicism she preached. Boethius’s own book was a response to her challenge..." (from Nigel's essay "Philosophy Should Be Conversation")
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COLLEGE students tell me they know how to look someone in the eye and type on their phones at the same time, their split attention undetected. They say it’s a skill they mastered in middle school when they wanted to text in class without getting caught. Now they use it when they want to be both with their friends and, as some put it, “elsewhere.” These days, we feel less of a need to hide the fact that we are dividing our attention. In a 2015 study by the Pew Research Center, 89 percent of cellphone owners said they had used their phones during the last social gathering they attended. But they weren’t happy about it; 82 percent of adults felt that the way they used their phones in social settings hurt the conversation.I’ve been studying the psychology of online connectivity for more than 30 years. For the past five, I’ve had a special focus: What has happened to face-to-face conversation in a world where so many people say they would rather text than talk? I’ve looked at families, friendships and romance. I’ve studied schools, universities and workplaces. When college students explain to me how dividing their attention plays out in the dining hall, some refer to a “rule of three.” In a conversation among five or six people at dinner, you have to check that three people are paying attention — heads up — before you give yourself permission to look down at your phone. So conversation proceeds, but with different people having their heads up at different times. The effect is what you would expect: Conversation is kept relatively light, on topics where people feel they can drop in and out... (from Sherry Terkle's "Stop Googling. Let's Talk")
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Sherry Turkle is a singular voice in the discourse about technology. She’s a skeptic who was once a believer, a clinical psychologist among the industry shills and the literary hand-wringers, an empiricist among the cherry-picking anecdotalists, a moderate among the extremists, a realist among the fantasists, a humanist but not a Luddite: a grown-up. She holds an endowed chair at M.I.T. and is on close collegial terms with the roboticists and affective-computing engineers who work there. Unlike Jaron Lanier, who bears the stodgy weight of being a Microsoft guy, or Evgeny Morozov, whose perspective is Belarussian, Turkle is a trusted and respected insider. As such, she serves as a kind of conscience for the tech world.

Turkle’s previous book, “Alone ­Together,” was a damning report on human relationships in the digital age. By observing people’s interactions with robots, and by interviewing them about their computers and phones, she charted the ways in which new technologies render older values obsolete. When we replace human caregivers with robots, or talking with texting, we begin by arguing that the replacements are “better than nothing” but end up considering them “better than anything” — cleaner, less risky, less demanding. Paralleling this shift is a growing preference for the virtual over the real. Robots don’t care about people, but Turkle’s subjects were shockingly quick to settle for the feeling of being cared for and, similarly, to prefer the sense of community that social media deliver, because it comes without the hazards and commitments of a real-world community. In her interviews, again and again, Turkle observed a deep disappointment with human beings, who are flawed and forgetful, needy and unpredictable, in ways that machines are wired not to be. Her new book, “Reclaiming Conversation,” extends her critique, with less ­emphasis on robots and more on the dissatisfaction with technology reported by her recent interview subjects. She takes their dissatisfaction as a hopeful sign, and her book is straightforwardly a call to arms: Our rapturous submission to digital technology has led to an atrophying of human capacities like empathy and self-­reflection, and the time has come to reassert ourselves, behave like adults and put technology in its place... (Jonathan Franzen review of Reclaiming Conversation, continues)
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A follow-up from Sherry Turkle on the lost art of conversation:
My recent Sunday Review essay, adapted from my book “Reclaiming Conversation,” made a case for face-to-face talk. The piece argued that direct engagement is crucial for the development of empathy, the ability to put ourselves in the place of others. The article went on to say that it is time to make room for this most basic interaction by first accepting our vulnerability to the constant hum of online connection and then designing our lives and our products to protect against it.

Some readers agreed with me. Others, even as they disagreed, captured the fragility of conversation today... (continues)

Though one goal of visiting a professor during office hours is certainly transactional — to increase your knowledge and improve your grade — the other is to visit someone who is making an effort to understand you and how you think. And a visit to a professor holds the possibility of giving a student the feeling of adult support and commitment.

But students say they don’t come to office hours because they are afraid of being too dull. They tell me they prefer to email professors because only with the time delay and the possibility of editing can they best explain their work. My students suggest that an email from them will put me in the best position to improve their ideas. They cast our meeting in purely transactional terms, judging that the online transaction will yield better results than a face-to-face meeting.

Zvi, a college junior who doesn’t like to see his professors in person but prefers to email, used transactional language to describe what he might get out of office hours: He has ideas; the professors have information that will improve them. In the end, Zvi walked back his position and admitted that he stays away from professors because he doesn’t feel grown-up enough to talk to them. His professors might be able to help him with this, but not because they’ll give him information.

Studies of mentoring show that what makes a difference, what can change the life of a student, is the presence of a strong figure who shows an interest, who, as a student might say, “gets me.”

You need face-to-face conversation for that. nyt 
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*From Consolation of Philosophy, Book V-'Since, then, as we lately proved, everything that is known is cognized not in accordance with its own nature, but in accordance with the nature of the faculty that comprehends it, let us now contemplate, as far as lawful, the character of the Divine essence, that we may be able to understand also the nature of its knowledge.
'God is eternal; in this judgment all rational beings agree. Let us, then, consider what eternity is. For this word carries with it a revelation alike of the Divine nature and of the Divine knowledge. Now, eternity is the possession of endless life whole and perfect at a single moment. What this is becomes more clear and manifest from a comparison with things temporal. For whatever lives in time is a present proceeding from the past to the future, and there is nothing set in time which can embrace the whole space of its life together. To-morrow's state it grasps not yet, while it has already lost yesterday's; nay, even in the life of to-day ye live no longer than one brief transitory moment. Whatever, therefore, is subject to the condition of time, although, as Aristotle deemed of the world, it never have either beginning or end, and its life be stretched to the whole extent of time's infinity, it yet is not such as rightly to be thought eternal. For it does not include and embrace the whole space of infinite life at once, but has no present hold on things to come, not yet accomplished. Accordingly, that which includes and possesses the whole fulness of unending life at once, from which nothing future is absent, from which nothing past has escaped, this is rightly called eternal; this must of necessity be ever present to itself in full self-possession, and hold the infinity of movable time in an abiding present. Wherefore they deem not rightly who imagine that on Plato's principles the created world is made co-eternal with the Creator, because they are told that hebelieved the world to have had no beginning in time,[S] and to be destined never to come to an end. For it is one thing for existence to be endlessly prolonged, which was what Plato ascribed to the world, another for the whole of an endless life to be embraced in the present, which is manifestly a property peculiar to the Divine mind. Nor need God appear earlier in mere duration of time to created things, but only prior in the unique simplicity of His nature. For the infinite progression of things in time copies this immediate existence in the present of the changeless life, and when it cannot succeed in equalling it, declines from movelessness into motion, and falls away from the simplicity of a perpetual present to the infinite duration of the future and the past; and since it cannot possess the whole fulness of its life together, for the very reason that in a manner it never ceases to be, it seems, up to a certain point, to rival that which it cannot complete and express by attaching itself indifferently to any present moment of time, however swift and brief; and since this bears some resemblance to that ever-abiding present, it bestows on everything to which it is assigned the semblance of existence. But since it cannot abide, it hurries along the infinite path of time, and the result has been that it continues by ceaseless movement the life the completeness of which it could not embrace while it stood still. So, if we are minded to give things their right names, we shall follow Plato in saying that God indeed is eternal, but the world everlasting.

'Since, then, every mode of judgment comprehends its objects conformably to its own nature, and since God abides for ever in an eternal present, His knowledge, also transcending all movement of time, dwells in the simplicity of its own changeless present, and, embracing the whole infinite sweep of the past and of the future, contemplates all that falls within its simple cognition as if it were now taking place. And therefore, if thou wilt carefully consider that immediate presentment whereby it discriminates all things, thou wilt more rightly deem it not foreknowledge as of something future, but knowledge of a moment that never passes. For this cause the name chosen to describe it is not prevision, but providence, because, since utterly removed in nature from things mean and trivial, its outlook embraces all things as from some lofty height. Why, then, dost thou insist that the things which are surveyed by the Divine eye are involved in necessity, whereas clearly men impose no necessity on things which they see? Does the act of vision add any necessity to the things which thou seest before thy eyes?'

'Assuredly not.'

And yet, if we may without unfitness compare God's present and man's, just as ye see certain things in this your temporary present, so does He see all things in His eternal present. Wherefore this Divine anticipation changes not the natures and properties of things, and it beholds things present before it, just as they will hereafter come to pass in time. Nor does it confound things in its judgment, but in the one mental view distinguishes alike what will come necessarily and what without necessity. For even as ye, when at one and the same time ye see a man walking on the earth and the sun rising in the sky, distinguish between the two, though one glance embraces both, and judge the former voluntary, the latter necessary action: so also the Divine vision in its universal range of view does in no wise confuse the characters of the things which are present to its regard, though future in respect of time. Whence it follows that when it perceives that something will come into existence, and yet is perfectly aware that this is unbound by any necessity, its apprehension is not opinion, but rather knowledge based on truth. And if to this thou sayest that what God sees to be about to come to pass cannot fail to come to pass, and that what cannot fail to come to pass happens of necessity, and wilt tie me down to this word necessity, I will acknowledge that thou affirmest a most solid truth, but one which scarcely anyone can approach to who has not made theDivine his special study. For my answer would be that the same future event is necessary from the standpoint of Divine knowledge, but when considered in its own nature it seems absolutely free and unfettered. So, then, there are two necessities—one simple, as that men are necessarily mortal; the other conditioned, as that, if you know that someone is walking, he must necessarily be walking. For that which is known cannot indeed be otherwise than as it is known to be, and yet this fact by no means carries with it that other simple necessity. For the former necessity is not imposed by the thing's own proper nature, but by the addition of a condition. No necessity compels one who is voluntarily walking to go forward, although it is necessary for him to go forward at the moment of walking. In the same way, then, if Providence sees anything as present, that must necessarily be, though it is bound by no necessity of nature. Now, God views as present those coming events which happen of free will. These, accordingly, from the standpoint of the Divine vision are made necessary conditionally on the Divine cognizance; viewed, however, in themselves, they desist not from the absolute freedom naturally theirs. Accordingly, without doubt, all things will come to pass which God foreknows as about to happen, but of these certain proceed of free will; and though these happen, yet by the fact of their existence they do not lose their proper nature, in virtue of which before they happened it was really possible that they might not have come to pass.

'What difference, then, does the denial of necessity make, since, through their being conditioned by Divine knowledge, they come to pass as if they were in all respects under the compulsion of necessity? This difference, surely, which we saw in the case of the instances I formerly took, the sun's rising and the man's walking; which at the moment of their occurrence could not but be taking place, and yet one of them before it took place was necessarily obliged to be, while the other was not so at all. So likewise the things which to God are present without doubt exist, but some of them come from the necessity of things, others from the power of the agent. Quite rightly, then, have we said that these things are necessary if viewed from the standpoint of the Divine knowledge; but if they are considered in themselves, they are free from the bonds of necessity, even as everything which is accessible to sense, regarded from the standpoint of Thought, is universal, but viewed in its own nature particular. "But," thou wilt say, "if it is in my power to change my purpose, I shall make void providence, since I shall perchance change something which comes within its foreknowledge." My answer is: Thou canst indeed turn aside thy purpose; but since the truth of providence is ever at hand to see that thou canst, and whether thou dost, and whither thou turnest thyself, thou canst not avoid the Divine foreknowledge, even as thou canst not escape the sight of a present spectator, although of thy free will thou turn thyself to various actions. Wilt thou, then, say: "Shall the Divine knowledge be changed at my discretion, so that, when I will this or that, providence changes its knowledge correspondingly?"

'Surely not.'

'True, for the Divine vision anticipates all that is coming, and transforms and reduces it to the form of its own present knowledge, and varies not, as thou deemest, in its foreknowledge, alternating to this or that, but in a single flash it forestalls and includes thy mutations without altering. And this ever-present comprehension and survey of all things God has received, not from the issue of future events, but from the simplicity of His own nature. Hereby also is resolved the objection which a little while ago gave thee offence—that our doings in the future were spoken of as if supplying the cause of God's knowledge. For this faculty of knowledge, embracing all things in its immediate cognizance, has itself fixed the bounds of all things, yet itself owes nothing to what comes after.

'And all this being so, the freedom of man's will stands unshaken, and laws are not unrighteous, since their rewards and punishments are held forth to wills unbound by any necessity. God, who foreknoweth all things, still looks down from above, and the ever-present eternity of His vision concurs with the future character of all our acts, and dispenseth to the good rewards, to the bad punishments. Our hopes and prayers also are not fixed on God in vain, and when they are rightly directed cannot fail of effect. Therefore, withstand vice, practise virtue, lift up your souls to right hopes, offer humble prayers to Heaven. Great is the necessity of righteousness laid upon you if ye will not hide it from yourselves, seeing that all your actions are done before the eyes of a Judge who seeth all things.'

EPILOGUE. Within a short time of writing 'The Consolation of Philosophy,' Boethius died by a cruel death. As to the manner of his death there is some uncertainty. According to one account, he was cut down by the swords of the soldiers before the very judgment-seat of Theodoric; according to another, a cord was first fastened round his forehead, and tightened till 'his eyes started'; he was then killed with a club.
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An old post
Tuesday, February 17, 2015
Boethius & Bentham & animal rights

Today in CoPhi it's the pagan/stoic/Christian/Platonist martyr Boethius, and then the rights of animals. 

We saw last time that Bertrand Russell had little regard for how Augustine, despite his philosophical sophistication when it came to hard-nut conceptual problems like time, ironically squandered much of his own on a preoccupation with sin, chastity, and staying out of hell.

Russell liked Boethius, or aspects of his thought at least. Boethius was also perplexed by time, and initially unimpressed by the alleged capacity of timeless divinity to accommodate both omniscience and free will. Like Russell, I'm struck by this "singular" thinker's ability to contemplate happiness (he thought all genuinely happy people are gods) while practically darkening death's door.

Boethius was consoled by the thought that God’s foreknowledge of everything, including the fact that Boethius himself (among too many others) would be unjustly imprisoned and tortured to death, in no way impaired his (Boethius’s) freedom or god's perfection. Consoled. Comforted.Calmed. Reconciled.

That’s apparently because God knows things timelessly, sees everything “in a go.” I don’t think that would really make me feel any better, in my prison cell. The real consolation of philosophycomes when it contributes to the liberation of mind and body (one thing, not two). But it’s still very cool to imagine Philosophy a comfort-woman, reminding us of our hard-earned wisdom when the going gets impossible.

And then, of course, they killed him. The list of martyred philosophers grows. And let’s not forgetHypatia and Bruno. [Russell] The problem of suffering (“evil”) was very real to them, as it is to so many of our fellow world-citizens. You can’t chalk it all up to free will. But can we even chalk torture or any other inflicted choice up to it, given the full scope of a genuinely omniscient creator’s knowledge? If He already knows what I’m going to do unto others and what others will do unto me, am I in any meaningful sense a free agent who might have done otherwise? The buck stops where?

For those keeping score, add Boethius to Aristotle's column.

[Christians 2, Philosophers 0... Christians & Muslims...JandMoandPaul...Mystics, scholastics, Ferengi... faith & reason...]

24 comments:

  1. 1. I think that neither existing is more plausible, from a scientific perspective.
    2. Both can be very comforting, I think the packaging is really what determines the effectiveness. How the stories of faith, redemption, and salvation, or reason and evidence are presented can have very different impacts on different people. For me, the more positive outlook the better.
    5. I guess by trying to accept the things I could not change. A person can drive themselves mad worrying about all the things they have no power over. In letting those things go I believe you can have a much more fulfilling life.
    6. I don't think the definition of a word can prove anything about the world. Who decided upon that definition? and can any definition truly be worldly or universal? I think a single word can have infinite meanings to many people.
    8. I believe that the possibility of other worlds does not diminish humanity, but rather expands it, infinitely!

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  2. 8 AQQ 4-21
    1.What was Giordano Bruno refused because of his bbeliefs?
    2.Copernicanism thrived in what?
    3.The documents of Brunos trial can be found where?
    4.Who knows which of Brunos heresies were singled out by the Inquisition?
    5.Brunos wide-ranging works offer many brands of what?
    6.What did Bruno lecture on?
    7.What did Bruno write treaties on?
    8.Bruno openly casted doubt on what?
    9.Bruno sometimes announced himself to be what?
    10. Brunos real denomination was barely what?
    11. Bruno was fascinated by what?
    12.Bruno was obsessed with all manner of what?
    13. Bruno was especially keen on ancient what?
    14. Bruno endorsed Copernicus pictures of what?
    15.Bruno argued that a richly populated universe was the most fitting what?
    16.Some 14th century thinkers toyed with the idea of what?
    17.Bruno enthusiastically endorsed what?

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  3. 8 AQQ 4-23
    1.Was it only in physics that Gassendi drew imspiration from?
    2.Did Gassendi accept Epicurus's doctrine?
    3.Did Gassendi try to give his doctrine a Christian slant?
    4.Gassendi also echoed Epicurus's what?
    5.What is Epicurus's empiricism?
    6.A genuine science must pay far more attention to what?
    7.Galilean science performed far better than what?
    8.Gassendi believed that the scope of human knowledge was what?
    9.The best science can do is give us what?
    10.Gassendi and Mersenne were awed by what?
    11.Neither of them could see how to what?
    12.They were convinced that Galilean science was along what?
    13.The new science was a useful what?
    14.Only God could know for certain whether mechanical atomism was what?

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  4. DQ's - 3/21
    It is more plausible that neither Satan nor God exist because they are ideas written down in a book. There is no solid proof for their existence, so it is more plausible that they just do not exist at all.

    2. Personally, I am a numbers guy. I follow logic and reason. Without solid evidence of an entity's truth or existence, then it makes it hard for me to comprehend why I would want to invest anytime in it.

    3. I 100% agree with this. There is no time to waste on stories of grandeur with little evidence to support them when life has so much to offer us that we can touch, see, smell, hear, taste, and feel, tangible things that are here for us to enjoy. All we have to do is live it, for the brief period in time which are able to be alive.

    4. I agree with Sagan in that science is itself a profound source of spirituality. Science is not compatible with religion, which is it what we typically think of when we hear spirituality, but spirituality is much more than just belief in some higher power. Spirituality is about finding peace within yourself, and if religion does that then great, but science can provide that proof of existence which brings solace to those who practice it.

    5. I think I could reach consolation in that I no longer control my fate. They have shackled me up and sentenced me to die. What can I do other accept death and hope for the best future of those still living.

    6. The only thing the definition of a word proves is that there is a set of letters in an agreed upon order with some agreed upon meeting by some committee. But what if the definition was or will be changed to mean a soft, furry rug because Webster said so? Words prove nothing other than some people of power to make it so.

    7. I would not say that theoretical simplicity is always better because trying to explain such a complex world with simple theories would be unfathomable; however, theoretical simplicity can be a very important tool for understanding the more complex theories.

    8. the possibility of other worlds with life forms doesn't necessarily diminish humanity, but it does make you wonder if we ever met who would be the more superior life form?

    9. Well if there is some omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good being that controls our daily lives, then it makes it almost impossible to account for evil and suffering. If this being is perfectly good then why would such pain come from death? We should see this as a good thing because this being made it so. Or your mother gets hooked on heroin, but we should be happy because this being made it so. That is just inconceivable to me.

    10. The concept of Original Sin stems from the story of Adam and Eve and their rebellion and disobedience in the Garden of Eden by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge. I personally do not understand it because I cannot fathom that two people appeared because God wanted it leading to the whole story being a fallacy in my mind.

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  5. Maddy Russell 10
    DQ's
    1. I think it is more plausible that neither or them exist.
    2. I am not a religious person, so personally I find arguments of logic and reason more comforting.
    3. I agree with this for sure. This basically means you should not waste your time with petty stories and worrying about things.
    4- I agree with this quote as well, when people hear science and spiritually they think that they can not go together. I think they can go hand and hand.
    5- There would be a point where you would realize that you can not change anything. At that point you could find consolation.
    6- No I do not think so.
    7- Yes I think so as understanding the complex universe is difficult, but understanding simple things is easier.

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  6. 1. I cannot and will not answer to either "plausible" theory, because both would not make any logical sense. If God existed but could not overpower Satan, there would be no hope in humanity because we, as humans, would know Satan was in control. Secondly, if there was neither a God nor Satan, there would be no standard for "good" or "bad", therefore, our morals would be astray, if not absent.

    2. To me, this question seems like it is built as if saying faith, redemption, and salvation are NOT backed up with reasoning and evidence; therefore discrediting it. However, these qualities are backed up with more reason and evidence than one would think, which is why stories of faith and salvation are more comforting to me. For example, the Bible's numerous stories of miracles have been backed up by dug up manuscripts and other sacred texts throughout history.

    3. I like this statement. The world is filled with so much love at great depths, yet there is still so much hate in the world. If we fear death we have nothing to stand for.

    5. After being falsely imprisoned, tortured, and scheduled for execution, I would have no clue.

    6. I don't think a word's definition can prove anything about the world, because that definition could be misleading or incorrect.

    7. I believe theoretical simplicity is better because we will never understand the universe to its full content.

    8. Life outside of earth has been a marvel of our generation because no other generation has been as close to finding out as we have. Although it may sound exciting, I think it devalues human existence and development in the search for other life.

    9. This is the easiest and, in my opinion, the least educated question to ask one who believes God is all powerful. What if God created a world where people could not choose? God could force everyone to stop before they were able to carry out evil behavior. But is such a world where freedom does not exist good? We live in a world of pain and suffering because we are able to choose. There has to be evil in order for there to be good.

    10. Original Sin is our innate habit to act against what is right. As a Christian, I understand that we are all born as sinners. Even after becoming saved, I am still a sinner. It is a struggle for each and everyone of us, Christians and non-Christians, that we must combat every day for the rest of our lives.

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  7. Section 8- DQ

    1. I do not believe that either God or Satan exist. If they did, I do not think that one would exist without the other. Because, if God is the embodiment of good and Satan is the embodiment of evil, then, how does one know what good is without knowing evil? I do not think we can know what either are without the feelings of joy or discomfort associated with those thoughts.

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  8. DeTrayce Sawyers 10 DQ's
    1.It’s more plausible that neither exist because there is no tangible evidence that proves otherwise.
    2.I do find comfort in faith, redemption, and salvation. I also find comfort in reason and evidence. I live my life trying to combine the two even though they contradict each other.
    5 . I don’t think I could find peace because the person who committed the crime would still be free, and I am being punished for something I did not do.
    6. The definition doesn’t prove anything about a word. A word can be defined as one thing and can mean several things to many people.
    7. It isn’t always better because the simple solution is not always best.
    8. It just makes you question whether they would be a more advanced life form.
    9. If you believe in God, then you must believe in the Devil because you can’t have one without the other. There are two side you should consider just like with most things in life. There can be no good without evil. There should be balance. Evil and suffering is all around us, but we must remember so is happiness and joy.

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  9. 10- D.Q.

    1.) That neither God nor Satan exists on a scientific standpoint because, if God did exist ( in scientific standpoint) and was less powerful than Satan, then evil could possibly devour the world.

    2.) Biblical scriptures and accounts of faith, redemption, and salvation are comforting to me because of the believe in the religion it is pertaining to, which is Christianity. Opposing to pure logic and evidence, believing in what you cannot see is the struggle in religion on whether people are accepting of it or not, but the evidence would be that of scriptural accounts.

    6.) I do not believe that the definition of a word can prove anything but the meaning of the word being defined.

    7.) i believe theoretical simplicity is better and comforting only due to the fact that there is more in this world, universe, etc. than we can every truly grasp and comprehend.

    8.) of course, the possibility of other worlds lowers the significance of mankind.

    9.) The defining of God to be omniscient makes it harder to understand why suffering and hardship occurs in the world we live in. This is because people tend to think, 'if God was perfectly good then why does evil still occur'. Although God is perfectly good, our freewill also needs to be considered in the equation, that we can make choices in life, whether or not our choices are the best ones or not, coincides with hardship and (or) suffering that can soon follow thereafter.

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  10. 10.
    1. I choose to believe that God is more powerful than Satan.
    2. I think they're comforting in different ways. Spirituality and religion give you peace of mind and contentment, logic and reason help you say to day when making decisions. You need both.
    3. I definitely think we should appreciate everything we've been given in life and take advantage of every moment.
    4. I don't think they should be held mutually exclusive to each other.
    5. It would be very hard for me to accept it but I feel like it's all you can do in that situation. I would sit back and think about all the good times I had in my life, and try to convince anyone that would listen that I was innocent.
    6. Not necessarily, words can have different meanings for different people.
    7. I think theoretical simplicity is better, there is so much of the world to explore and so much to do and I'd rather go out and explore than spend my time trying to understand absolutely everything.
    8. I don't think it diminishes humanity, it just makes you wonder what else is out there.
    9. It could make you wonder how bad things can still happen, but it's comforting to believe in a God that is there for you, can help you in times of need, and loves you unconditionally.

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  11. If God were to exist, he would be less powerful than Satan. As God would be confined by his morals and rules, where Satan is not. By being "good", you are putting yourself in a position to be weaker than your "bad" counterpart.

    Supernatural stories and myths are made to comfort us. Even though I do not personally believe them, but they do provide a sense of comfort for me.

    No system is ever perfect. There will always be a price to pay. However, if I were in this situation I do not believe I would be able to accept that the real offender is getting away free.

    Definitions are fluid in society. A definition is not useful if it is not in the same point of time, or in the same society.

    While most people look at humanity as the ultimate product of evolution, I disagree. We use significantly more resources than any other species. We have done nothing to positively impact the universe, we only consume what the universe has given us.

    To me it is easier to accept that there is no god than a god that isn't powerful.

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  12. Discussion question responses:
    1. I think it more plausible that neither of them exist. The whole concept of divine entities, especially two that battle against each other using humans, just doesn't make sense.
    2. No, I like to explain things with reason. The "supernatural" scares me.
    3. I agree that we need to be grateful for everyday that we have alive, because it can literally end at any moment.
    4. I agree that science and spirituality go hand in hand.
    5. Possibly. If you were a believer in that every person is here for a reason and we are sent on a path then sure, because you would be fulfilling your destiny.
    6. No. The meaning of words are made up by people.
    7. Yes.
    8. I don't think it diminishes humanity. The universe does not revolve around us and I guess if you thought it did then it would diminish it. But we are here just like we have been since humans evolved and that doesn't make us anymore important than other life.
    9. Because if there is a being that is all good and perfect, how can he let such evil happen on our planet?
    10. I have no idea what that is.

    Alternate quiz questions from DR 14:
    1. What was the key text of theology from the late 1100's?
    2. In 1210, teachers at the university of Paris were banned from lecturing on what topic?
    3. What did the Bishop of Paris condemn?
    4. What portion of the medieval era had the most sophisticated philosophy published?
    5. Did Albert always agree with Aristotle?
    6. When were Europe's dark ages?
    7. What was one of Abelard's most influential writings?
    8. What is the difference between a morally good action and a morally bad action?
    9. What is the only thing god will consider on the day of judgement?
    10. Abelards analysis of moral concepts was what in comparison with Aristotles?

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  13. Section 8-DQ
    1. Neither God or Satan exist because otherwise if God was real why let people die, and why let bad things happen to people? I have more faith in science than an imaginary thing.
    2.Well I don't believe in supernatural stuff or anything else so no. I believe in the power in reasoning and evidence.
    3.I can stand with this statement. I believe we should we should look death in the eye and not be afraid if we are grateful each day.
    4.I don't believe science and spiritaulity should be kept separate because it might confuse people. Also science is more logical in my eyes.
    5.Yeah I would. I would to cherish the moments I had and accept the fact that I will face death.
    6. Yes it can give a meaning to the word we are using.
    7.Yes making everything simple would be nice in this world.
    8.No it actually does the opposite. It can change everything how we think about life and other certain things.
    9.No because I don't believe in God so no words describing him will change that. It would be better to live with no God at all because it makes life easier, and certainly did for me. I can live life to the fullest without limitations.
    10.Original sin? I don't believe people making sins if were speaking on a religion term otherwise I think people just make mistakes.

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  14. Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?
    *Really is that neither God nor satan exist. It makes no sense that an all powerful being who in benevolent would allow it's malevolent other side to exists. they are either equal or don't exists.

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  15. Discussion responses:
    1. If you can write well you are probably writing logically. If you are able to convince your reader of something, even if it is not right, you're writing with logic.
    2. Possibly, I don't know how I feel about the "supernatural" and magic.
    3. I think it was the minds way of understanding their actions, and how could Europeans be so far "advanced" when another group of people wasn't, surely they were not also people? Surely this is not how we started out? Who knows?
    4. Absolutely.
    5. That's not necessarily true. People who read generally have more experience and more opinions because they just know more than those who haven't read. But you could say that someone who reads does not have an advantage over someone who doesn't in a subject the person who doesn't read knows a lot about.
    6. Social media is very biased. Most books don't have the same risk of "false information" as the internet does.
    7. Yes. Because they are my own experiences that I know for a fact have happened to me and I know how I feel about them.
    8. Sure. Everything needs a strong foundation to build off of.
    9. Nope.
    10. I think everyone is selfish and you are taught not to be.

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  16. Maddy Russell 10
    DQ's
    1. I think there is a difference between writing well and logically thinking. A person can think ad talk well and still not be able to write well.
    2. I think Machiavelli was right.
    10. I think that people are selfish. They can be taught to be or not to be selfish.
    5. Reading is a such wonderful and powerful talent, and a person who has the power to read and does not use it is just as bad as a person who can not read.
    6. Social media really does not do any good. All of it has no substance, so if users read books they would gain only knowledge.

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  17. Clayton Thomas (10)10:19 AM CDT

    3/23 - DQ's
    1. There is a sharp difference between writing well and thinking logically because writing well requires creativity and smooth transitioning which is controlled by the hemisphere of the brain which logic is not in. I think so many philosophers were poor writers because 1) education wasn't as important or as stressed as it now and 2) they tried to use their logic and reason to explain things rather than just observe the phenomena and record it in it's beauty. Becoming a better writer and a clearer thinker requires me to stray away from my heavy background in logic and reason and think with emotion and feeling. I think these two things would help to expand my mind.

    2. I think Machiavelli is in accurate in his description of power. Maintaining power requires an absence of morality because with your gaining of power someone is losing power and others potentially more. A moral person could not take a position of high power in today's world without failing miserably.

    3. When it comes to humans and their cultures, we typically have this idea of ethnocentrism embedded into our natural systems. Which means that we innately see our culture as the correct culture and any deviance from that is considered bad or wrong. Which can be applied to any of the New World'ers and their views towards the natives discovered in that New World.

    4. I would say that there is a proper place for astrology in the modern world because star patterns and celestial bodies are the reason why earth is exactly where it is and can sustain life upon it. It helps dig deeper into the question of "How did we get here?". Magic, ehh. I would say magic is more of an entertainment thing, but not much other practical use in the modern world.

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  18. Clayton Thomas (10)10:20 AM CDT

    3/23 - DQ's (Cont.)
    5. If you can read then you have an advantage over those who can't being able to interpret signs, messages, read books, etc. However, if you choose not to read then what real advantage do you have? You don't. If you do not read you might as well not have able to ever read because it is a wasted art.

    6. If the average social media user could read 200 books in the time they spent online, I would say they would gain knowledge and insight towards things they may have never even knew existed, an expanded vocabulary, and maybe a new hobby other than that of staring at a computer. They would all those precious seconds with their internet friends and exposure to screen lighting, and they may even lose track of time. The right balance I would say is 70/30, where you should spend 70% of the time you would've spent on the internet laughing at cats, just read a book, or a newspaper, or even use your computer to read things; however, time yourself is a good thing so feel free to spend that other 30% on mind-numbing pictures and half-typed words to fit the 160 character limit.

    7. By far, I trust my own conscience and experiences because they have provided legitimate proof and real world experience into whatever it is which I'm looking for an answer to. Religion makes no sense to me because their is no concrete evidence for religious texts to say I would blindly follow some God or some godly principle which may have no effect on anything or cause more questions without ever answering the original.

    8. I would say knowledge does not need any foundations because knowledge encompasses everything a person knows, knows about, or knows how to do. Even when we are first born, we may not know much of anything, but we do know breathe, sleep, scream, cry. We may not be able to fully understand them yet, but we nonetheless do have a very basic knowledge of these things.

    9. I would say Machiavellian leadership wouldn't have the quality of sexism, that would be an individual trait exclusive to that person. However, in order to be Machiavellian leader one would pretty much have to be an autocrat and maintain absolute power. Machiavellian leadership believes that the end's justify the mean's and excel in control and manipulation. Full control and power is the ultimate goal and if one shows a weakness in their power or show signs or morality then they are not classified as Machiavellian.

    10. Fundamentally, people are selfish. Everyone wants what is best for them, that is not to say we are 100% selfish and ONLY want what's best for ourselves, but if it came down to your life or theirs and they had the choice. Most people would probably pick you. I'm a but selfish in that I appreciate myself and wouldn't want something negative to happen, but I try to help people out the best I can even at my own expense. Just not always. Selfish people can change, anyone can change under the correct circumstances.

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  19. 10- D.Q.

    2.) I believe Machiavelli was right in his idea that a ruler would rather be feared than loved due to the low possibility of a ruler who is feared to be overruled or opposed.

    4.) I believe that there is a sense of purpose for astrology in the modern world because we only know so much about it, with ability to come to understand more on the topic, but when i comes to magic, that is more of mere illusion and entertainment.

    7.) I trust my own conscience and experiences only due to the fact that they are my own, and that I have reached the point I am now through those experiences and how I feel.

    8.) Knowledge needs a proper foundation for sustainability and accreditation, without this it is nothing more than opinions and ramble.

    10.) I believe people are fundamentally selfish by nature for the most part due to people, including myself, to be more concerned with what they are trying to set out to do and how they plan to accomplish it. People can become less selfish and self-centered, but we all are to some degree to be able to accomplish our goals we set out for ourselves.

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  20. Was Machiavelli right, about how power works in the real world?
    *I hope not but, god how this last election may be proving him right.

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    1. I would consider it more plausible to say that neither exist, since there is no proof that they do.

    2. The power of reason and evidence may not always be more comforting but it is important to understand that the truth can't always be comforting, but it is necessary to carry it's weight if you strive to have a better awareness of how things are in reality.

    3. It's hard to say, I think I would have to give up on the idea of a better life before I could have consolation in that situation.

    4. The definition of a word is just a human construct for us to understand how things are better. It does not prove however how things actually are. All it proves is that the person who said those words felt that way about a particular situation.

    5. Simplicity can be better if you are able to simplify things correctly. Some people have difficulty simplifying things because it can require a lot of understanding to be able to condense something accurately.

    6. No, I think it makes humanity appear even more unique.

    7. For many people it is easier to believe that the Christian God is all powerful but he chooses not to help suffering people because it is supposed to be some sort of path they must take to be a better follower, or those people just don't truly believe in the Christian God so they do not receive any help. I think that it is easier not to believe in something if their is no proof for it.

    8. Supposedly the Original Sin corresponds to the story of Adam and Eve, where Eve at an apple and their punishment was basically to live in a world where there is sin. I think the story is suppose to just be a metaphor of how humans will sometimes give into their desires to get what they want even if bad things can come out of it.

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    1. Many people struggle with the ability to convey information even if they do have a logical understanding of something. There is also the problem of bias that can make it difficult to convey information objectively. It's possible that many of the medieval philosophers had difficulty writing because in writing their opinions, they were not completely sure of them, and left them ambiguous. People reading the texts then had trouble understanding what the philosopher may have meant.

    2. I think people are like that way because many different groups have unique cultures and when you are raised in those cultures you believe that it is the way that humans naturally are. When people see other cultures for the first time following different customs, it seems in a way less how humans are supposed to live, and therefore more sub-human.

    4. Its important to understand that there are people that believe in magic and older cultures. I wouldn't say that it should belong in the modern world though due to their being no evidence that magic exists.


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    4) Although there are people who still believe that the arrangement of the stars on the day they're born affects their behavior or what kind of person they are going to become, I don't think there is a place for astrology in modern world.

    5) I believe in that statement. There is no point of acquiring a skill if you never ever use it. I'm the kind of person that would like to learn as much as possible from different subjects but at the end of the day if I don't practice it, it is as if I wasted my time.

    6) That is a shocking statistic. I think they would have gained a lot more if they read the 200 books than spend lots of time on social media. Books usually provoke emotions and shape how the brain develops. I'm not saying that social media have no value, I just believe that there is more to learn from books than social media.

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