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Wednesday, September 3, 2014

Group 1, Section 10 Discussion (09/02/14)

On Tuesday our group discussed determinism vs. free will. The question posed was "Does time and human mortality affect your personal philosophy?"

This sprung us into a conversation about life and death and what happens after death. Also about whether finding a purpose for our lives determines its importance. We wrestled with questions about whether it is "easier" to believe that we make our own choices which lead to our future or to believe that our lives are predetermined and our efforts are rendered useless in the timeline of our lives. We all had pretty different views, which I see as a good thing.

I personally enjoyed hearing others' perspectives on this topic. This is a pretty fundamental idea to explore, while most people in our group didn't have concrete views on the topic in particular. If you've thought any more about this or have a thought that didn't get spoken in group discussion, feel free to leave it below! Cheers!


  1. FQ:
    From Socrates & Plato (LH) fill in the sentence- "[Socrates] saw himself as one of those ________ that have a nasty bite"
    A: horseflies

    Socrates enjoyed finding to what extent people understood something and enjoyed making people to rethink their core beliefs. Have you ever had a similar experience? If so explain. How did it make you feel?

    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ip6TpLdxo

  2. The Socrates Method reminded me of a YouTube series I enjoy called Veritasium. The host questions people on their knowledge on an aspect of our world (science related) and then they give their best answer. He then proves them wrong. It's actually very interesting and he has videos on many subjects, so I recommend it! https://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium

  3. Megan Fischer8:59 PM CDT

    Section 10:9/4
    Factual Question: What was the claim Socrates made in regards to his free-of-charge teaching services?

    Discussion Question: Plato believed that because philosophers are good at thinking about reality, they should be in charge and have all political power. Do you agree or disagree with Plato's belief?


    By the way - The summary is awesome! Very detailed

  4. Section 10: 9/4

    FQ: Describe Diotima's (or Socrates' or Plato's) idea of the Form of Beauty.

    A. "The perfect and transcendent principle of beauty."

    DQ: Since the "Form of Beauty" is a subjective invention of the human brain, can it be compatible with metaphysical philosophy?

    I listened to an interesting podcast today that got me thinking about the morality of imprisoning the mentally ill for violent crimes. You can listen to it here:


  5. Section 10
    FQ: How many citizens were in the jury during the trial of Socrates.

    DQ: If Plato's world existed in which philosophers were in charge and held all political power, how would the population differentiate the philosophers from the ordinary citizens and how would they determine the philosophical knowledge among them considering the fact the such knowledge can't be easily given a numerical value.

    I read an article in the link before. The information doesn't specify how the selection of leadership would be organized, but it gives you a view of what Plato thought a philosopher was and in this case a philosopher was someone like him. The problem is if Plato wasn't present how would they determine a person to have similarities to Plato considering the fact of countless individual points of views of Plato. That lead me to ask the question above.