Up@dawn 2.0

Wednesday, February 19, 2014


Today we took a walk around campus while talking and stopping at varies places to jot down our discussion. Our group talked about several things on and off topic. First, we discuss the info that we found that will go in the report for the project. We talked about needing a replacement for the tumblr project. Zach decided that he will help Kathryn with tumblr. We discussed a little about the readings for today; mainly about Aquinas mixing Christian theology with Aristotelian philosophy views. The things we talked about not pertaining to philosophy was our age. Once again I'm the oldest in the bunch, LOL!:) The group found out a lot on funny interesting things about Zach. He hate short shorts on guys for one thing. I have to agree with him on that one. We just got to know each other. The group also, discussed the FQ question which I will break down and edit on this post later.

Readings for today:
PB - Skinner p37-50
AP - Dworkin, Posner, Danto, & Cavell p107-125
LH - Hobbes p51-61

Don't forget to stay connected this weekend that is how we will communicate on getting the project finalized.

Short shorts!

So, I broke the questions down to ten. I hope this is Okay; if anyone see a problem and want to change any feel free.

1. Socrates did not write anything down. Who wrote down and kept record of Socrates conversations and ideas, as well as his own? Plato

2. What theory of Plato's describes thinking about things in an abstract way, not through examples and sensual perceptions? The Theory of Form

3. Professor of philosophy at Vanderbilt University who authored On Race and Philosophy.  Lucius Outlaw

4. What was the name of the school set up by Aristotle in Athens?  The Lyceum

5. Who developed and taught Aristotle? Plato

6. What's the difference between extreme Pyrrhonian skepticism and moderate skepticism? Moderates (like Socrates and Shermer) seek truth

7. Who was the woman that Boethius saw in his jail cell while awaiting his death? Why was she angry with him? Philosophy or “Philosophia”

8. Which Stoic took his own life at the demands of Nero? Seneca

9. What Spanish émigré studied and taught at Harvard, said those who don't learn history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them, called skepticism "chastity of the intellect," and was long deprived of "his rightful place in the intellectual history of our times" Santayana

10. Which philosopher believed that the fact that we have an idea of God proves that God exists? Anselm


  1. I found the reading out of PB this week very interesting! Quentin Skinner explained Niccolo Machiavelli's book "The Prince" This book was written in 1513 after he lost his political position after a change in regime in his home state Florence. Machiavelli was a poet and and writer who was forced into writing "The Prince" after he was imprisoned and then later exiled. Left with only his writing talents he sat down and decided to write. "The Prince" is a book in which Machiavelli explains how to be a productive and successful ruler or to "protect you state" as he puts it. I admired his bold views of how to be a ruler. He believed in being strict only when you had to, but also being fair in order to keep the respect of your people. It is said at the end of the article that using these principles in ones own life would not apply unless you were a ruler of a prince, but in my opinion his ethics of standing up for yourself while still being respectable and fair are something that could absolutely be applied to anyones daily life.

    DQ: Do you feel that you could apply "The Prince's" ideals into your own life?

    FQ: The latin word Fortuna means what in english? PB 44

    FQ: what Christian author wrote a book filed with ideologies that were completely opposite of Michiavellis's? PB45

  2. By the way ANYONE that has any information that would be helpful to our presentation please text me and let me know about it.


    I am working on a powerpoint for my part of the presentation. anyone else presenting should use powerpoint as well. I believe you will find it very helpful. Remember we can use VIDEOS!!

  3. I'm sorry I haven't had more of a chance to connect with any of you lately, especially with this group presentation approaching. I would offer to try to meet up somewhere this weekend, but due to my recent medical issues, I had to go home for several days. I'm willing to do whatever I can from here for the project. What would be most helpful for me to do?
    Like, do you want me to make a Powerpoint, and if so, what do you want in it?
    Do you want me to stay more focused on research, and if so, what general direction should I head with that?
    I really want to make sure I participate, but I need a little guidance.

    1. Powerpoint please with video about tumblr Facebook etc. also any information that can help us relate it to philosophy thank you

    2. Wait, so I need to do a Powerpoint about all the social networking websites we're presenting about? I don't have any information about the other ones. And I don't have anyone else's research...do you have any?

    3. I sent my research info to John and Ryan to edit for the presentation. Our group is doing FB. I do have some quotes I retrieved off of FB if you want me to email them to you. I didn't get any videos though.

    4. I have already done a powerpoint about Instagram and twitter. We just need info on tumblr i believe

    5. Okay cool! I think Kathryn and Zach were gathering the info on tumblr.

    6. Oh good! looks like things are going pretty well. Do you think you could send me the powerpoint you have created? I have some information on tumblr, but I want to match it to what we already have going on, and maybe get some more information after seeing a clear direction

  4. I've always loved Machiavelli. I don't necessarily feel like his political philosophy can be totally acted out in today's world, but if you consider it in the time period when he lived, it's brilliant. And the ideas that he pushed can still be applied on a basic level to our politics. He stands behind the notion that a leader should be feared, not loved, and to an extent that's true. At least for the people in power. The people may not want a leader that they fear, but fear is a stronger bond between a leader and his people than love would be. Also, if you examine Machiavelli's examples of justified murder, trickery, and lying, they show just how intelligent and level headed he truly was. By no means is Machiavelli advocating murder, but he demonstrates that sometimes it is in the leader and the state's best interest to murder someone if they are a threat. Lying isn't a way to build all relationships, but in politics it can be dangerous to wear the truth on your sleeve. Also, as part of human nature, it's natural to assume that other people in power are lying to you or planning for your detriment, so staying on your toes when you are a political leader is necessary. Much more so than making friends. In my opinion, Machiavelli was a brilliant man, and a great writer. I read The Prince in high school and have meant to reread it. I think he deserves more credit then he's given, and his reputation as an evil, savage person is unwarranted.

    FQ: What family is responsible for having Machiavelli thrown in prison and later banished from his home city? -The Medici Family

    FQ: This 17th century philosopher was a materialist who believed that people were simply physical beings and that there is no such thing as the soul. -Thomas Hobbes

    DQ: Do you think people are only kept in check by the rule of law and the threat of punishment?

    Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/opinion/why-machiavelli-matters.html?_r=0

  5. I read the AP with Dworkin, Posner, & Danto. I really was into Dworkin even though abortion and pro-life is a conversation I try to not debate with people about. Each person has their own views about it. some people value animals more than humans. I was kind of digging a little of the law philosophy from Posner, but I defiantly did not get the philosophy of art with Danto especially on page 121 about the fountain. Help me out was he saying he can turn a urinal into a fountain of art?

    FQ: Dworkin's abortion argument _______ _______ America's battle over abortion, any more than his subsequent writings on ___________ of presidential impeachment won unanimous consent. p113 didn't, solve, euthanasia

    FQ: What two events prompted Posner's attention to sex? p117 his reading of Plato's Symposium and the case Barnes vs. Glen Theatre Inc.(1991).

    DQ: Posner asked What is law? So, what is your intake on what law really is?

    Here is a video on Dworkin: Skepticism

  6. Aaron Caveny2:30 PM CST

    FQ: What was more important to Machiavelli as a leader, to be loved or feared?

    DQ: Do you agree with his philosophy on how to approach being a leader?

    Link: http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/machiavelli.html

    1. Machiavelli thought it was better to be feared. If they love you only they would eventually leave at rough times, but if they feared you they would be too scared to betray you.

  7. I believe Machiavelli and Hobbes were a little harsh, but it was truthful. Machiavelli Lion the Fox and the Lion was about when you are in authority you have to be both animals. The Fox being scheming and conniving. The Lion is strong and vicious. A person would have to even it out and not be one more than the other or it wouldn't work. Trust in his view can only go so far and many country leaders should never trust the other country leaders because they all lie to get what they want.

    Hobbes on the other hand believe that everyone have some kind of selfishness and evil act within us. That's why we lock our doors, have alarms, and own weapons for protection. If we didn't have authority you would see more people doing evil deed to get what they want because Hobbes said we all have it in us.

    DQ: Do you think if it wasn't for law and authority you would commit an unkind act, according to Hobbes we all would?

    FQ: Hobbes wasn't only Just a Philosopher - He was what we would now call a what kind of man? LH p 60 Renaissance

    FQ: Machiavelli saw himself as a realist, someone who recognized that people are ____________. LH p56 Fundamentally selfish.

  8. Zachary VanDusen8:38 PM CST

    Machiavelli is a very interesting man who feels very strong about his own opinion, or at least that is how i felt. In his book "The Prince", he writes a guide for princes of that time period to follow as a way to get back to a high poliitical position in Florentine. He believes that the ultimate guide of a prince is to maintain the state. Several things combine to maintain the state. You must be manly, beastly, and fortunate as well. I was interested in his political views because he seemed not to care what society thought of "The Prince". I kind of got a feeling that he wrote the book angrily because he was betrayed by the politicians.
    Thomas Hobbes is just as interesting. I agree with a lot of his philosophical views. I do agree his idea of everyone being selfish, naturally. The way he described his "state of nature" really got me on board with that theory. I know that if it came down to it, I would do some very selfish acts in that state of nature, I also believe that I would not be the only one. And I consider myself an unselfish person but upon further thought and reading of his ideas, I do believe that it is human nature to be selfish. The one thing I do not agree with is how he did not believe in a democratic government. I feel the government or "sovereign" should never have full control. Majority control? Yes. Full control? No.

    FQ: _______ identified law with man-made rules and denied that law must be moral. - Positivism

    FQ: Machiavelli was secretary to the ____ and ____. - Second Chancery; Dieci

    FQ: Machiavelli was forced to become a writer after Pope Julius II signed the____. - Holy Alliance

    FQ: Machiavelli felt princes shouldn't seize and hold power but_______. - Display the power and glory to everybody

    FQ: J.R. Hale once said "The Prince" was like _______. - Putting a bomb in a prayer book

    FQ: Machiavelli stresses it's better to be ____ as a leader than ____. - Feared; Loved

    FQ: Thomas Hobbes said we humans were selfish, driven by fear of ___ and hope of ____. - Death; Personal gain

    FQ: _____ believed there was no room for the "soul" in the human body and that the human body was simply a "complex machine". - Thomas Hobbes

    FQ: Machiavelli and Livy believed that fortune favors the _____. - Brave

    FQ: Which philosopher stated "It is always better to act and regret it than not to act and regret it"? - Machiavelli

    FQ: Machiavelli states that if princes want to maintain their state you must act in ___ and ___ ways. - Beastly; Manly

    FQ: Machiavelli feels you need to be willing to do evil in order for the _____ to come of it. - Good

  9. FQ: Which of the philosophers from the readings was successful playwright, and what was the name of his play? Mandragola - (LH, 53).

    DQ: Should philosophical ideas be rooted in what really happens or should they be drawn primarily from abstractions?

    LINK: http://oyc.yale.edu/political-science/plsc-114/lecture-11

  10. FQ: what is the name of the enemy, as written in The Prince, that new leaders need to watch out for? (Fortuna)

    DQ: Do you agree that it is better to act and then regret it, instead of think through things? More would get done, but you might end up having to spend a lot of time fixing your problems.

    tumblr and Thomas Hobbes!

  11. For my group if you haven't found this info for the group project on social media and philosophy. Most are pros and cons.

    1. And facebook and philosophy book. I can probably find a synopsis of it online if you haven't.