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Wednesday, February 5, 2014


Do not worry, I will add more to this later tonight, but this is just to get you going.

We are still trying to figure out what we want to do our group report on.

Some ideas were thrown around but we are not that close to a consensus. Members close to me liked Breaking Bad ok, but many members haven't seen the show. Harry Potter was talked about, but there are mixed views on that. We ended saying something about video games, Madden being mentioned. I haven't played that game, but wouldn't mind doing some "research".

Anyway, it is a good thing if we keep talking about it.


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    1. We Know Nothing - Pyrrho:
      Pyrrho was a little strange to me. His ideas of us not knowing nothing was very different. He believe that we should just go about our lives with no cares. for example as I am typing this I shouldn't really wonder if I'm typing or not because I am probably not really typing, or maybe my arm is not really a arm. His way was that everything could be questioned just stay calm and go about your life with no worries. When we stop at railroad crossing because the arms went down or the train siren was alerting us that would be a time when Pyrrho would say keep driving. He would probably say it's just our mind playing tricks on us, or we are just hallucinating, or your senses can't be trusted. It was said that maybe all the things he went about so bluntly doing might not all been true, but he was clam on a ship when a bad storm came, while all the others panicked.
      Pyrrho felt we shouldn't commit to any views because we can't know anything for We should recognize that nothing matters and that was is prospective on the right way to live.

      I kind of thought a bunch of that could have be some hog wash and if he did respond to life that way then maybe he should have thought a little more than he did because he was crazy. There is no way I would just keep walking across a street while cars coming non-stop and be telling myself that the cars aren't really there it's just my untrusted senses deceiving me.
      Here is a little video of what I could have imaged that Pyrrho wanted to do, but at least it wasn’t a long fall for this guy.

      There were many times his friends were there to stop him from having accidents, and it was said that he moved away when a dog snapped at him. I guess he couldn't fight all those reflexes.

      FQ: Pyrrho visited place that with great spiritual te3achers putting themselves through unbelievable physical deprivation and it was probably what inspired him, what place was it? p18 India

      DQ: Would you live this free and worriless the way Pyrrho did?

      Okay, so I copied my comment to correct my mistakes and it wouldn't allow me to paste it back as comment only as a reply; therefore I'm pasting my corrected original on the deleted one. LOL! at myself

  2. The Garden Path - Epicurus:
    Epicurus taught about happiness and death. We all think about death and what is after death. Most of all Many fear death and Epicurus argued that. Fearing death was a waste of time. To Epicurus a person was losing out on the enjoyment of life when they spend time thinking about death. I guess that goes back to the saying live enough for today don't worry about tomorrow. He also talked about how we think about what happens when we die who will be there, what will they say, or how do they feel? Why worry about what happens after we are long gone? What does it matter it was years before we came in to existence and we didn't worry then; therefore, he states if we didn't worry about what it was like before us then why worry about what it will be like when we leave.

    With happiness Epicurus way was to just live. Stop trying to live above your means. When we try to live bigger than what we can we spend our entire life working to accomplish that want we will probably never get anyway.

    I can truly understand where Epicurus was coming from. I will admit it as been times I wonder what it will be like when I die. How will my family react, who would really care, or just how will those close to me adjust. Epicurus made sense, why worry, life was going on before me and no worries why wonder about afterwards. It's funny know that I think about it.
    The happiness can be better for us if we stop and smell the roses instead of just always trying to get the next best thing. Look around you how many people you see with iphones, ipads, or labtops? They may have those electronics and no car to get them to their classes or job. Most of them I see are children with no jobs. Epicurus saying giving in to greedy appetites would just create more and more desires and so in the end produce the mental anguish of unfulfilled craving.

    FQ: What kind of need did Epicurus teach? pg 24 Moderate

    FQ: Epicurus' view was that we consist of _________(though what he meant by this term was a bit different from what modern scientists mean by it). pg 26 Atoms

    DQ: Do you ever think about what it will be like after your death?

  3. I happened to really really connect with Pyrrho and Epicurus. I think that both of them were really on point in their lines of thinking, though I personally think they both went too far in the way in which they put their ideas into use. Pyrrho was a skeptic, and I think that it's incredibly important to be as such when addressing abstract ideas and even most decisions. Though I'm not too keen on his ideas about being unsure if a vicious dog with its teeth bared coming straight at you was really intent on harming you, or even if you did face a dangerous situation if the physical damage would actually hurt. That seems a bit much. But I do like the underlying philosophy of questioning ideas and not believing things 100% because once you choose something you can't know the alternative.

    Epicurus really spoke to me with his ideas on death. I'd never really considered the premise that we don't typically worry about the time that Earth was around and we hadn't been born yet, but we always fret over what will happen after we've gone. I don't think it curbed my inherent fear of dying, but it definitely opened my eyes to some things. Like the fact that we shouldn't be so caught up on what is going to happen to our physical body when we ourselves have died. A lot of people get hung up on whether they want to be buried or cremated, or what kind of service they want to have, and it's kind of silly because you won't even be there to appreciate it.

    DQ: Epicurus summed up his philosophy with the quote "I was not; I have been; I am not; I do not mind." What does this mean to you, and do you agree with his outlook on death?

    DQ: Do you think it's healthier (mentally) to follow Pyrrho's philosophy on uncertainty and fear in facing typically frightening situations?

    FQ: A large source of information on Epicurus' teachings came from the long poem On the Nature of Things written by ______. - Lucretius

    Link: http://marklindner.info/writings/Epicurus.htm
    Here's a link summarizing Epicurus' view of death.

  4. Also, about our group project, I'm not so sure we should continue spending time trying to find something in pop culture that we can all agree on. Our group seems to be very diverse in likes and dislikes, and I think it would be much easier for everyone if we pick a topic in one of our texts to do our project about. We're more likely to find something along those more neutral lines that we can agree upon, and we're less likely to leave anyone out in their opinions if we approach it that way.

    1. I agree, but I'm willing to do it on whatever. Sometimes In doing assignments you will have to do projects and presentation on things you don't like so we will have to just deal with it. I am willing to do some research or speak. I'm not difficult.

    2. There's a bit of a difference between not knowing about a subject and not liking a subject. I just think we should pick a topic from our texts because a lot of the topics in pop culture being thrown around are stuff that several of our group members haven't heard of/seen/watched/read/etc. Doing research is extremely difficult when you don't know anything about your subject going into it. So is getting in front of the class and talking about a topic that you don't really know anything about, even if you have all the research in front of you. Though, I'm like you, I don't mind researching or whatever, I just want to make sure our subject is something everyone is familiar with.

  5. Christopher Winfrey6:53 PM CST

    Hey, sorry I'm posting this in the wrong group, but my group never had an author post during last class or over the weekend, so I don't know where else to post my factual/discussion questions and my links. But in case anyone is interested, these questions are for AP pages 36-39 (the section I was designated to read for my group).

    FQ: What did William James say you needed to be a real philosopher? (Answer: Hate someone else's thinking, page 36)
    FQ: What did philosophy professors say an individual needed to belong to if they want to be considered a real philosopher? (Answer: The APA - American Philosophical Association, page 37)
    FQ: In America the Philosophical, how many people did Jeremy Morris say the APA usually drew in, and how many did they actually draw in at that time? (Answer: Usually 2500, drew in 2000, page 38)

    DQ: Why do you think philosophy jobs are so limited?
    DQ: What do you think is required for an individual to be considered a real philosopher?

    LINK: http://www.wikihow.com/Live-Like-Socrates

    I just found that this link was very interesting because of the idea behind it.

    Sorry again for not posting in the correct group. I'm just making sure I do my part and get credit.

    1. It's cool ! you don't have to apologize for trying to get your assignment finish. It helps about a week ago I posted on another class group 1 because I had know clue were my group post was. It's all credit the same:)

      Philosophy jobs are probably limited because some employees might feel that it's not a great career. People don't want to listen to others who think they are right and no one is, but them. I always kind of looked at it as in the counseling field.

  6. I missed the last class, so I did not get assigned a specific reading section. I chose to read out of the Little History OF Philosophy Book this time. The reading was over philosophers Pyrrho, and Epicurus. Both of these philosophers had very extreme views about the world. Pyrrho basically believed that nothing was real and almost got himself killed several times by attempting to test his theories. Epicurus believed in not fearing death and just enjoying life, which is a more favored idea in my mind. Too bad a lot of his teachings were slandered by rumors of immorality. Whether or not I agree with their ideas completely I still believe there is a lot to be learned from each of these two great thinkers!

    FQ: What did Epicurus say in his epitaph?
    "I was not; I have been; I am not; I do not mind"

    DQ: Do you find that Pyrrho's way of thinking is a forward way? Or is the danger of it just to absurd?

  7. FQ: Which Roman philosopher-poet wrote On the Nature of Things? - (LH, 25).

    DQ: Did reading American The Philosophical make pursing a philosophy degree even less desirable after it demonstrated how difficult it is to find a career that actually makes use of your degree?


    1. Zachary VanDusen1:55 PM CST

      Comment: If I ever were swayed toward majoring in philosophy, the limited jobs would definitely be problem. The inconsistency would be a huge negative. The competition would be heavy as well.

  8. Aaron Caveny1:50 PM CST

    I disagree with Pyrrho's views on life. I don't think you can go through life being care free and not being aware of the surroundings around you. I more closely relate to Epicurus and his views of not living with regret and not fearing death.

    DQ: Who do you more closely relate too?

    FQ: What was the name of the school that Epicurus started?-- Epicurean School of Thought

    Link: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCBfWeJkrs8#

  9. Zachary VanDusen2:02 PM CST

    I personally find Pyrroh to be a bit crazy. Although he is widely known as a great philosopher, I believe in my senses enough to know that a fog is going to bite me, or if I was leaning over a cliff I would fall. To me, his reasonings are a bit absurd, with all due respect.

    FQ: which philosopher, in the eyes of his peers, took the practice of skepticism too far? (LH)

    DQ: Do you think Pyrroh's friends that "helped him live as long as he did" ever got annoyed with his way of life?