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Wednesday, January 29, 2014

Class 13->>>> THUNDER DRAGONS (3)

Class topic for the day:
How could you take a more philosophical approach to ones everyday thinking?
How Romano made the claim that America in the most philosophical country compared to other countries throughout the world. Oliver asked if before ending the class if we knew any American philosophers. This is what sparked a very small group discussion.

Some of our group mentioned that they disagreed with this statement of being the most philosophically educated country. The reason why I disagreed with Ramono was my lack of knowing any academic American philosophers.

More to come......


  1. Comment: I saw that the class today was very helpful and more analytical today. I saw that our group was more adamant about handing out positions for reading. Although I wish that our discussion about philosophy would expand throughout our group and the time allotted for discussion

    FQ: According to Plato who fell in love with Socrates?.... Answer: Alcibiades

    DQ: Which position (standpoint) on erotic love seems most attractive and why?

    Link: 1)Awesome article on Plato's Symposium

  2. After our class today, I finally feel like I got a strong idea of what will be doing with our groups and the scorecards. It will be interesting to share and develop our personal philosophies and discuss other philosophers as we have more time with our groups.

    I was responsible for PB (pages 1-10)

    FQ: Does Socrates believe the 'unexamined life is not worth living' ? Answer: Yes, he is very much interested in examining his life itself.

    DQ: What are your thoughts on the Socratic Method? Does it lead to constant questioning? Do you think and have conversations on why you have certain beliefs, and what are they based upon?

    Link: In chapter 2, it begins to focus on erotic love. The Greek term "Eros" is used. I found a song by Young The Giant, that relates to The Symposium by Plato., it is cool to see that song released this months roots back all the way to the philosophies of Plato.
    YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-efnHJ02-g

  3. As a group I think we should delve into the readings more in class. We should use the time to actually talk more about what we read so that we can have a better understanding. This will also be beneficial in knowing the material for exams or class discussion.

    As far as America being the most philosophical country, I both agree and disagree. I think we have several brilliant philosophical minds, however, America as a whole is certainly not number one philosophically.

    FQ: Who said, "Conclusive refutations of philosophical positions are about as rare as sightings of the ivory-billed woodpecker"? (A: Alex Byrne)

  4. Erika Butler1:03 PM CST

    I completely disagree with the claim that America is the most philosophical country ever. I disagree because of the many great philosophers that came way before American philosophers. Plato, Hume, Kant,etc. Furthermore, Ramano makes the excellent point that we as nation don't even respect philosophy as other countries do. We don't read books, newspaper articles, or anything, for that matter, about philosophy or philosophers. We don't truly appreciate the art of philosophy.

    LH- pg 1-8

    FQ- Who was Socrates' star pupil? And who was the answer's star pupil?
    FQ- Who took Socrates too court in 399 BC and why?
    FQ- What are the Platonic Dialogues?

    DQ- "Plato believed that only philosophers understand what the world is truly like...Ordinary peopele have little idea about reality because they are content with looking at what's in front of them rather than thinking deeply about it" (Warburton 5). Do you agree or disagree with his claim?
    DQ- Socrates didn't write his work down because he felt as though talking to someone face to face was a direct understanding of the person you were talking to. However, as a philosopher isn't it important to write your work down for your personal records, and others? Why or why not?

  5. Zachary VanDusen9:06 AM CST

    FQ: How did Socrates die?

    DQ: Should Socrates have simply agreed to ask simpler questions to continue living? Or do you agree with his decision to continue to think deeply at the expense of his own life?

    1. Edward Davila1:16 PM CST

      I believe that he did what he thought was right. He died for what he believed in. You should never set your sights lower than the sky. A brave man will honorably give everything that he has so that he can live according to his dreams. A coward will gut out a piece of his own heart every time he denies himself the same pleasure only to prolong his sad state of existence until the day of his impending death.

  6. I think you can take a more philosophical approach to thinking by thinking critically about the choices you make. I'm not saying you have to critically think about what toppings you want on your Subway sandwich, but think about how certain things you do in life will affect you in the long run and where they will take you.
    FQ- Why was Socrates seen as a threat to Athens?
    DQ- Do you think that Plato wrote the Platonic dialogues and put words in Socrates' mouth? Why do you think he would do that?

    1. Edward Davila1:08 PM CST

      I believe that Plato was a wonderful student of Socrates and most likely his favorite. It would seem natural that this close student of his would try and record every word he said in conversation. People from as far back as time itself have had people to write what they say. Many of the words of Jesus were recorded in this way as were several important figures in our planet's history.

  7. Erika Butler11:47 AM CST

    Sorry the answers to my questions are:
    -Socrates' conversations with the people he asked questions to written by Plato.

  8. After these readings, the idea of philosophy is finally into my head. It's also extremely interesting that Socrates wasn't like by many people and even put to death. It's hard to believe that Socrates was so intrigued by figuring out the meaning of existence and reality that he was persecuted by those who weren't aware of it (according to Plato).

    FQ: What were clever teachers that coached students in the art of speech-making called? (Sophists)
    DQ: Do you agree or disagree with Plato's idea that most people are only seeing shadows of reality and philosophers are the only people to truly delve into the subject of reality?
    Link: https://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/socratic-teaching/606 This link gives an idea of Socrates' teaching method.

    1. Edward Davila1:05 PM CST

      Depending on what your definition of a philosopher is, I may agree or disagree. I believe a philosopher is any person who takes their time to look at thing and wonder why it is what it is and how it got there. A philosopher is one who thinks outside what he is told. According to that definition, people who are not philosophers and only believe what they are told are missing almost all of the many angles of many subjects and are blinded to only one perspective.

  9. Edward Davila1:00 PM CST

    I do believe that America has quite a few very influential philosophers that have done humanity a great deal of good by sharing their intriguing thoughts. Whether or not they are the best is simply a matter of opinion. We can take a more philosophical approach to every day thinking by making an effort to wonder why things are the way they are and what their intended purpose is. We can think about all kinds of things in this way during our routine life. It also helps to find somewhere quiet to think alone.

    FQ: What was the name of the professor being interviewed in the first chapter of Philosophy Bites Back? (M.M. McCabe)

    FQ: What is the Socratic method? ( A question and answer type investigation through dialogue)

    FQ: Why was Socrates killed? (Athenians found him guilty of corrupting young minds due to his truth seeking specialty)

    FQ: According to Philosophy Bites Back, what was the most important Socratic material? ( collection of dialogues Plato wrote.)

    DQ: What do you think examining one's life can do for a person?

    DQ: What types of things can make life worth living?

    DQ How do you feel about today's school systems? Does lecturing and testing work? Or should there be more discussions?

    DQ: What is your opinion of Socrates? Was he genuinely concerned with mutually illuminating conversation, using his Socratic method or was he simply infatuated with his own intelligence and liked looking down on the stupidity of others?

    DQ: Do you think it is more important to ask questions or to give answers and why do you feel this way?

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB4MYGInRl4 This show the socratic method.

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2KzymrmNa0 A brief history on Socrates.

    Link: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/socrates/socrates.htm This is the trial of Socrates

    Link: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/socrates.html several quotes by Socrates

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHp0FmEr78 4:00 minute skit called the death of Socrates

  10. I disagree with the fact that America is the most philosophical country. Too many people continue to hold to the beliefs they've grown up with simply because they are too lazy to explore other ideas and they are uncomfortable with stepping outside of what they know.

    FQ: What Greek philosopher does Carlin Romano think that modern American philosophers are "children of?" (A: Isocrates)

    DQ: Do you think that the debate between American secularists and religious believers proves an intellectually vibrant culture, or a dumbed-down one?

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBl6ALNh18Q (Interview with Germany's foremost philosopher)