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Thursday, November 7, 2013

Nameless Wanderers, Honors 3 Group 3

After receiving the news that Herr Romano was not going to be present in class today, we did our normal discussion (following Dr. Phil, of course). We began on the subject of John Stuart Mill's liberalism and whether or not we agreed with that, which we did. Finding no disagreement, we applied the principle to the concrete world and talked about the Second Amendment. Specifically, we talked about whether or not restrictions ought to be put on the exercise thereof. (Personally, I'm happy to be in a situation where people disagree with me significantly, since that yields substantive debate.) Anyways, good time.


  1. Comment: Guns are always a controversial topic. I'm not sure how we got on it though...

    Fact: Karl Marx was an ___________, meaning that he thought humans should be treated equally. (egalitarian)

    Discussion: Do you see modern history as a battle between social classes? Why or why not?

    Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38bM-1l2qBo Socialism and Karl Marx.

  2. Comment: Ha, I love talking political philosophy and its practical applications. (That, btw, is how we got onto guns, Kayla.)

    Factual: Who would appear at the interval of a play to give the illusion of having been present, but would write at home during the whole of it? (Kierkegaard.)

    Discussion 1: How accurate is Kierkegaard's notion that life is, essentially, a choice between pleasure and ethics?

    Discussion 2: How effective is Marx's idea of governance: that the lower classes must overthrow the upper and distribute goods equally? What are the potential effects?

    Link 1: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Kierkegaard.jpg

    Link 2: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Karl_Marx_001.jpg

  3. 16-2
    I somewhat agree with Kierkegaard's notion about pleasure and ethics. Nowadays, many people try to derive pleasure ethically.

    1. 17-3
      Maybe they might think about being immoral for a second or two, but ethical pleasure seems like a paradox if we're basing it on this society.

  4. Factual: Who liked to think of himself as the Danish Socrates?- Soren Kierkegaard

    Discussion: Would you give up your true love if they were better off without you like Kierkegaard did?

    Comment: I was disappointed that Carlin Romano could not come to our class on Thursday, but I went to the Fall Lyceum and listened to him. It was very interesting and I learned a lot.

    Link: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kierkegaard/

  5. Olivia (The Highlanders)6:53 PM CST

    This sounds like a very interesting discussion! We have also talked about gun rights and how a persons psychology might affect it.

  6. Guns right discussions are always intriguing to me.

    1. Well, the one I sat in on briefly the other day certainly implied a level of "intrigue" in the conspiratorial sense. I have to say, though, that to believe the rash of tragic gun violence in America is a hoax is only to compound the tragedy and postpone effective action to counter it.

  7. Anonymous11:43 AM CST

    Michael Anderson H3

    Factual: In what work did Kierkegaard imagine what went through Abraham's mind as he made his journey to kill Isaac? Fear and Trembling (1842).

    Discussion: Do you agree with Marx that work itself can be a fulfilling kind of activity?

    Comment: The Lyceum was very interesting. Carlin Romano is an excellent speaker and laid out his points very well.

    Link: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marx/
    On Marx

  8. I would have loved to have been a part of your group's discussion this week! Like Mitchell, I like applying philosophy to practical life. To me one of the most naturally philosophical areas of life is politics.

  9. Comment: We had a fairly heated debate on gun control last class. I don't have a very strong view, but I played devil's advocate.

    FQ: What was Bloom interested in conserving? (Philosophical way of life for other generations)

    DQ: Do you agree with Marx's theory that societies rise and fall and then impede development of human power?

    Quote: Marx: "Democracy is the road to socialism."
    "Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand." I would also like to discuss this.

  10. Anonymous1:27 PM CST

    Comment: Great discussion
    FQ: what was Kierkegaard's philosophy? Christian/existentialist
    DQ: what is the line of power? Where should it stop if it should?
    Link: our life always expresses the result of our dominant thoughts