We then discussed the results of these disasters. Many times changes are made with the "best intentions" in mind. However, some of the worst actions in history were made with "best intentions" behind them. For example, we discussed forced sterilization. Can this make the world better? Perhaps, but at what price. Dr. Oliver had an interesting saying on the subject: "mistrust people who want to help you and is willing to force that help onto you".
Our discussion then went back to suffering for a better world. We discussed how some homes caught on fire and damaged the house. But, because the house was insured, the repairs made the house better and increased its value. So a little bit of suffering can make life better in some cases.