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Monday, September 10, 2012

Sec19 Grp1: Pyrrho's Paltry Philosophies

The skeptic Pyrrho, an advocate for critical thinking, believes that we should not trust any of our senses. It smells like a pizza, it looks like a pizza, it feels like a pizza, it even tastes like a pizza... but that doesn't mean it's pizza. He'd go so far as to question things like this.

Naturally, this way of thinking is dangerous and irresponsible. ("Oh, look, a cliff with sharp rocks at the bottom. Maaaybe they won't hurt me. Let's test that.")

But the opposite of this, believing all your senses, can be reckless, as well. Say you see a brown cat in the darkness at night. It looks friendly, so you approach it. Turns out it's a hungry bobcat. Whoops.

What's important here is to find your own personal middle ground. It's pretty much an issue of ethics, how far you're willing to believe your eyes, ears, et cetera. As humans, most of us need hard evidence to believe in the validity of something, and yet despite that, we are often torn on the validity of the evidence itself. Say, ghosts. Who's to say they do or don't exist? After all, reality is what you make of it.

We also discussed how Pyrrho went on to say "Unhappiness arises from not getting what you want." Thus, don't want things. Be ascetic. He took the middle path here and deprived himself of potential happiness. The metaphor of life being a roller coaster is quite effective here. Without high experience then low experience, high then low, and so on, we get either tons of lows or tons of highs, in which case we either get super-depressed at our loss or super-elated at our gain.

But does Pyrrho's life of absolute indifference contribute to inner serenity, as he claims, or perhaps instead internal hollowness? Detaching himself from society and emotion and putting himself in a metaphorical isolation tank really only meant he missed out on the joys of life. High then low, high then low, is always more worth it in the end.

7 comments:

  1. Jeremy Brooks5:22 PM CDT

    In particular, I don't think he was really advocating critical thinking, it's just sort of the mid-way point that we're guided to when we observe Philosophical extremists like Pyrrho who don't believe in absolutes. And like I sort of mentioned in our discussion, the metaphor of the roller-coaster, I think, is a bit off when explaining Pyrrho's potential state of mind, given that high's (no matter how high) and lows (no matter how low) compensate for each other as time passes. Just as someone were to have extreme highs and extreme lows, I believe that experiencing lessened highs and lows would result in contrasts that are less steep. So, maybe Pyrrho found that consistent neutrality ,or at least what could be achieved by a human being and his emotional state, is what true, unbridled happiness is.

    Epictetus, Cicero, Seneca
    FQ: What are the basic tenets of the Stoic school of Philosophical thought (Stoicism)?

    DQ: How could any of us apply the Stoic mindset to our everyday lives to some kind of benefit?

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    1. Ben Raper9:53 AM CDT

      I think that you could apply this mindset to your life, it is just hard to conclude yourself when to use it and when to not use it. Because the decision being made by you causes emotions to become a factor to you, which is what Stoicism says is what clouds clearly made decisions.

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  2. Ben Raper9:50 AM CDT

    In our last discussion we talked about the extreme thoughts of Pyrrho. We debated if someone could truly live a life of not believing anything. He did it, but in order to protect himself he had people follow him to watch his back. In the end I concluded myself that you can not live your life to that extreme, at the same time you can not just believe everything that you see or are told. You need to figure out your own medium that nobody but you can figure out. Question things until you are given enough detail or explanation to where you are convinced.

    FQ: Do they want you to be completely emotionless in every situation in life?

    DQ: Can any human being truly cut off all emotions to a point where they do not even come into their mind anymore?

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  3. The views of Pyrrho are those of someone who seems to me to have been hurt deeply in his life and, as a sort of mental protection, chose to not believe anything he heard in case what he heard or saw was a lie. This could very well not be true but it would explain his rash views on life. It seems as if it would be very difficult to live your life in this manner, though it seems to not be too far away from what the unnaturally calm stoics attempt to achieve.

    FQ: From what experiences in his life does Epictetus draw that made him into the stoic he was?

    DQ: What would be the main differences between Stoicism and Skepticism? How are they similar?

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  4. I learned a valuable lesson today. I should have learned it the first time it happened, but I guess it will be more likely to stick with me now. I revise, edit, and revise some more when I write. Apparently this isn’t suitable for the blog because I lost EVERYTHING I typed. I’m attempting to remember it all, but I know how that usually works for me. From here on out I will write in Word and cut/paste when IS have finished. Here goes…
    Pyrrho & Scepticism
    I much prefer the American spelling (with a “k”) to the Queen’s English. This spelling makes me think of “septic,” for some reason. Somewhat appropriate, though.
    Pyrrho’s question everything/ doubt everything viewpoint is thought by some to be a path to happiness. Not allowing yourself to believe or even feel seems more of a miserable life, I think.

    Epictetus & Stoicism
    From the reading in (LH): “…Only worry about things we can change.” Reminds me of the Serenity Prayer.
    From http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/epit.htm: “We can never fail to be happy, he argued, if we learn to desire that things should be exactly as they are.”
    While I agree with these 2 specific statements, I disagree with Stoicism as a whole.
    Question: How did Epictetus’ life begin?
    Discussion: Are Epictetus’ teachings/ Stoicism just a form of denial?

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  5. I thought it was quite comical the extreme Pyrrho took his belief of not trusting his reality. I admit there are times that even our senses mislead us. To completely distrust them all the time is ridiculous to me. If your body is telling you it needs to poop you probably need to poop. Yes there are times when you might not have to but for me, I’m going to excuse myself every time. The same is true up through our perception of our reality all the way to our critical thinking. I think it is beneficial to learn about this philosophy to evaluate our own but I reject it as a legitimate way to live my life.

    Also he states we should free ourselves from want. We can’t free ourselves from want. We can neglect it or ignore it but we will always want things. It’s how we manage this want that is key.

    FQ: Who is referenced as the key example of Stoicism?
    DQ: Is there a time where we simply can’t control our thoughts and minds?

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  6. I believe the way he lived his life was absolutely ridiculous. Not trusting reality is the craziest thing I have ever heard; jumping off a cliff and thinking that you will live is nonsense! You have to live by some sort of morals and set of rules. Reality is something that you have to take into perspective or you are screwed. I don’t understand how anyone could live a life like he was living.

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