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Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Y U NO? (2-16) Stoicism

Our group had the rather boring topic of Stoics this session. The Stoics have this concept that all emotion is useless in life, and that ideally, humans use logic and reason to reach any sort of enlightenment. Emotions are considered to hold a person back by causing suffering, and the
Stoics choose to purge all of their feelings for thoughts.

We agreed that this is not a good way to live. While emotions can be harmful when in the extremes, it's easier to learn to control them than to eliminate them altogether. We agreed that some emotions are unnecessary in a lot of situations, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have a place elsewhere in life. It was then brought up that we can pick and choose how to feel, and that we can learn to be less angry or less of an emotion instead of getting rid of it.

It is also just as counterproductive to get rid of all emotions as it is to immerse oneself in emotion. The conclusion is that we all need to find our middle grounds for emotions, and learn to balance them with logic and reason.

This discussion was not as interesting as some of the others for us. There was universal agreement that emotions are clearly important, and Stoicism is silly.
(It is important for me to mention that we did bring up the fact that certain psychological disorders cause a lack of emotion, or an unnatural apathy. We are not considering these in Stoicism, as it is a practice.)

Factual question:
What is the philosophical ideal of the Stoics summarized as?
Answer: Apathy

Discussion question(s):
Are emotions irrational judgments, or are they necessary for humanity?
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Can someone truly eliminate all traces of emotion? How?

(And some more: Is there a correlation between the amount of knowledge someone has to their amount of emotion? Does emotion fade with knowledge or inversely, knowledge with emotion?)

6 comments:

  1. Can someone truly eliminate all traces of emotion? How?

    In the realm of consciousness, I don't believe any human being can truly eliminate ALL traces of emotion (excluding those with mental disorders.) Humans always have some kind of emotion, even in everyday situations. As babies we cry, giggle, smile,frown and go through an array of emotions all the time. Regardless of how we are feeling or what we know, we are going to have some sort of emotion involved. By design we grow up having feelings for people, places, and things. Even pets show emotions toward their owners. Id or no id. I do not believe that someone can truly eliminate all traces of emotion.

    * The Y U NO? heading is hilarious!

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  2. I just can't see how it would be possible to eliminate all traces of emotions. As humans, we always feel some sort of emotion. There is no way to hide that, no matter how hard we try. There will always be something to trigger happiness, sadness, anger, etc.

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  3. woo for monotone! I want to meet a Stoic and make them laugh. As we all agreed on in discussion, emotion is chemically part of the physical body..therefore it portrays somewhat our character and is the basis of what drive us. Whoever established Stoicism must have had some excitement toward promoting apathy.

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  4. To answer the question about eliminating emotion,NO!!! Its impossible to eliminate emotion. Sometimes people try to hide their emotions just to pour them out at a later time. I'm sure that we all know that individual that has had a death of a close friend or relative and then tried to act like noting happened or to act like they are "OK" with it. Then, sometime later, after the memories start to come back, they realize that their counterpart is never coming back, they start to come unwound and they generally take the fall harder than they would have if they had mourned in the first place.

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  5. I believe our emotions are an essential part of our humanity.... it makes us who we are as human being so without them we cannot even be truly human.... so to the question of can we devoid ourselves of all emotion no i dont believe it is possible because we would therein lose ourselves and our humanity.

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  6. I feel that everyone was a little hard on stoics. maybe they just felt that while emotions are useful to interpret our feelings, they shouldn't be used to dictate our actions. In the James-Lange Theory of emotion, emotion is said to be merely the result of a physiological arousal and the cognitive interpretation that follows. in theory, we could interpret the event any way we want. So why should we let our emotions speak for us?
    "Without the bodily states following on the perception, the latter would be purely cognitive in form, pale, colorless, destitute of emotional warmth. We might then see the bear, and judge it best to run, receive the insult and deem it right to strike, but we should not actually feel afraid or angry." -William James
    Matthew Williams

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